All I can imagine witnessing their false faith is a rope around their necks and a spear through their hearts. I do wonder how much fury men like Charlemagne, Constantine, and Saint Louis IX of France would have if witnessed to their profligate successors.
Frankly it’s not even the evil that pisses me off the most it’s the sheer fucken hypocrisy of it all, they thump their Bible and act as if Christ would like them as they commit actions and deeds far worse than what any of what the characters of the Bible faced if not by brutality then certainly by sheer fucken scale. By the Allfather I fucken hate these cretins so much.
Respectable and good are two different things, the men I listed could be respected both in spite and because of their evils since they did their actions themselves. These modern shitheels would probably all piss themselves if forced to interact with the people they hurt without their fucking security.
Not really least of all because the circumstances were quite different. Constantine for example mostly reorganized the empire and legalized Christianity, Charlemagne more or less started out dealing with Saxon raiders who had been raiding the Frankish matches for decades (There’s a reason he never went to Denmark but did go after the Avars in modern Hungary), and Saint Louis of France was just kinda a good ruler and cracked down on the excesses of the estates.
Point is there is a clear difference between those ancient Christian rulers and their modern counter parts, hell one of Charlemagnes greatest achievements was laying the groundwork for literacy to raise quite a bit over a couple hundred years, kinda doubt any of these ghouls would do that with a gun to their heads.
Constantine for example mostly reorganized the empire and legalized Christianity
Ok fair. But even at the time, it wasn’t a secret that christianity was extremely intolerant. Constantine legalized what both today and back then would be recognized as an extremely intolerant religion.
Charlemagne’s treatment of Saxons was considered controversial and heavy handed, even at his own time. Also, the Carolingian renaissance is considered very distinct from the renaissance of the 1200s.
The crusades are one of the very few events that even the Vatican has gone out to directly state was a bad and harmful idea.
Edit: what’s even the point of mentioning the reforms of either the last two??? It’s not like it excuses their crimes.
Christianity in many ways invented the concept of exclusion and religious intolerance. That simply didn’t exist in the ancient world. Bart D. Ehrman even cites it as the main reason christianity prevailed in the Roman empire.
I brought them up because my original comparison was between these modern ghoulish profligates and their ancient counterparts. I am very aware of the crimes of those I listed hell if I had the misfortune of somehow interacting with them the only one I wouldn’t kill out the gate would be Constantine, but for all their wrongs they still did good. Constantine held the Romans together and reformed the empire, Charlemagne set much of Europe down the road to recovery from western Romes collapse, and Saint Louis reformed the estates and arguably set france to become what it is today but these modern Bible thumpers have nothing but the cruelty.
I chose my monsters due to their contrast, if I wanted people I truly think were irredeemable I wouldve gone for the Spanish empire, the Teutonic Order, and fucking Belgium. All of whom spread the love and mercy of Jesus Christ all for power and gold.
Also I just realized my initial list gets increasingly French eugh.
All I can imagine witnessing their false faith is a rope around their necks and a spear through their hearts. I do wonder how much fury men like Charlemagne, Constantine, and Saint Louis IX of France would have if witnessed to their profligate successors.
Frankly it’s not even the evil that pisses me off the most it’s the sheer fucken hypocrisy of it all, they thump their Bible and act as if Christ would like them as they commit actions and deeds far worse than what any of what the characters of the Bible faced if not by brutality then certainly by sheer fucken scale. By the Allfather I fucken hate these cretins so much.
Fitting that call these men evil and as good christians cite men that: massacred pagans, persecuted pagans or led religious wars.
Respectable and good are two different things, the men I listed could be respected both in spite and because of their evils since they did their actions themselves. These modern shitheels would probably all piss themselves if forced to interact with the people they hurt without their fucking security.
Persecuting people, carrying out mass murders, creating oppressive laws, defending those who do. It’s all the same.
Not really least of all because the circumstances were quite different. Constantine for example mostly reorganized the empire and legalized Christianity, Charlemagne more or less started out dealing with Saxon raiders who had been raiding the Frankish matches for decades (There’s a reason he never went to Denmark but did go after the Avars in modern Hungary), and Saint Louis of France was just kinda a good ruler and cracked down on the excesses of the estates.
Point is there is a clear difference between those ancient Christian rulers and their modern counter parts, hell one of Charlemagnes greatest achievements was laying the groundwork for literacy to raise quite a bit over a couple hundred years, kinda doubt any of these ghouls would do that with a gun to their heads.
Ok fair. But even at the time, it wasn’t a secret that christianity was extremely intolerant. Constantine legalized what both today and back then would be recognized as an extremely intolerant religion.
Charlemagne’s treatment of Saxons was considered controversial and heavy handed, even at his own time. Also, the Carolingian renaissance is considered very distinct from the renaissance of the 1200s. The crusades are one of the very few events that even the Vatican has gone out to directly state was a bad and harmful idea.
Edit: what’s even the point of mentioning the reforms of either the last two??? It’s not like it excuses their crimes.
Christianity in many ways invented the concept of exclusion and religious intolerance. That simply didn’t exist in the ancient world. Bart D. Ehrman even cites it as the main reason christianity prevailed in the Roman empire.
I brought them up because my original comparison was between these modern ghoulish profligates and their ancient counterparts. I am very aware of the crimes of those I listed hell if I had the misfortune of somehow interacting with them the only one I wouldn’t kill out the gate would be Constantine, but for all their wrongs they still did good. Constantine held the Romans together and reformed the empire, Charlemagne set much of Europe down the road to recovery from western Romes collapse, and Saint Louis reformed the estates and arguably set france to become what it is today but these modern Bible thumpers have nothing but the cruelty.
I chose my monsters due to their contrast, if I wanted people I truly think were irredeemable I wouldve gone for the Spanish empire, the Teutonic Order, and fucking Belgium. All of whom spread the love and mercy of Jesus Christ all for power and gold.
Also I just realized my initial list gets increasingly French eugh.
Ok, I can respect that.