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Champoloo [he/him]@hexbear.net to libre@hexbear.netEnglish · 8 days ago

Debian developer Antoine Le Gonidec resigns after option allowing corporate LLM use without disclosure wins vote

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Debian developer Antoine Le Gonidec resigns after option allowing corporate LLM use without disclosure wins vote

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Champoloo [he/him]@hexbear.net to libre@hexbear.netEnglish · 8 days ago
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    Which one is this? Xlibre? Yeah theyre fash

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      Then what fash jacketing are you talking about?

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        The guy that replied to Antoine Le Gonidec. Antoine also says llms are a ‘fascist backed technology’ which implies anyone that uses them are fascist sympathizers. He also said Debian was becoming a Nazi bar.

        The reality is that LLMs are tools. It doesn’t even matter if a fascist made a tool if you are able to expropriate that tool (e.g. open weights models, picking up a Luger to shoot a Nazi doesn’t make you a Nazi).

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          llms are a ‘fascist backed technology’

          That’s a factual statement.

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            Do you think China is fascist? They also back LLMs.

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              You are unfairly characterizing Antoine’s behavior as fash jacketing.

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                You didn’t answer the question. What I am saying is it is nonsensical to say something is ‘fascist backed’ unless you are taking a moralizing stance on a technology as a whole. Banning all LLMs is clearly bad imo, but it makes sense to care about the origin of an LLM.

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                  Banning all LLMs and discussing acceptable exceptions is how a community could actually end up with a culture of responsible LLM use.

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                    That is categorically not banning all LLMs, though. And again, do you think China is fascist?

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