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    I fly a lot over Russia from Europe to China with Chinese airlines because it’s so much faster. If they even come close to downing a Chinese commercial airliner, it will change the complexion of the war.

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      In the linked article no one suggests attacks on civilians. Rather it reads as a way to avoid unnecessary casulties.

      What a clickbait headline.

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        Yeah this is what he actually said…

        “Today, we want to warn every airline that uses Russian airspace, every insurer, and everyone who still uses Russia’s key airports: Russian airspace is becoming completely unsafe.”

        “Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account”

        “We in Ukraine do not want innocent lives to be lost. That is why we are warning our partners: the safe days in Russia’s skies are over. It is important that this is heard by the ambassadors of countries represented here in Ukraine, as well as by ambassadors working in Moscow.”

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          “Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account”

          bro, you gotta learn to read imperialese. this is imperial speak to say we’re going to kill civilians. didn’t you learn form the “enhanced interrogation” scandal from the gringo fascist empire?

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          How do “russian airspace will become completely unsafe” und “do not threaten civilian aviation” together?

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          listening to facts are the reason why anyone who reads will understand why ukraine is in the wrong.

          the american congress banned weapons going to ukraine back in 2018 because of its neo nazi proclivities; how are you almost a decade slower than congress?!!!

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          If airlines care about not losing planes and people they will stop flying over Russia so it would have the ideal result of shutting down flights there. Ethically it’s a bit fucked but it’s likely an effective way to apply more pressure. And it’s not like Russia can’t just stop all of this.

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    Very normal behavior that definitely isn’t a warcrime or anything. We aren’t targetting civilian aircraft they just might be hit haha

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        So is Netanyahu, and he has a warrant out. If Zelenskyy starts striking civilian planes with international travelers onboard he’s going to lose support as far as Western public opinion goes and the ICC won’t be far behind.

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          a warrant that’s not neither being enforced by any of the countries that promised to support the icc/icj nor pursued since the us empire had the icj prosecutor relieved of duty.

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      Perhaps you could read the article instead of inferring what was said from a clickbait title.

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        “Today, we want to warn every airline that uses Russian airspace, every insurer, and everyone who still uses Russia’s key airports: Russian airspace is becoming completely unsafe,” Zelensky said in a post on X that cited his nightly address.

        Yes, because these are the words of a leader who definitely intends to do no harm.

        Seems like Trump is definitely rubbing off on this guy.

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          To steal the post of someone hire up this post that shared the entirety of the quote…

          “Today, we want to warn every airline that uses Russian airspace, every insurer, and everyone who still uses Russia’s key airports: Russian airspace is becoming completely unsafe.”

          “Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account”

          “We in Ukraine do not want innocent lives to be lost. That is why we are warning our partners: the safe days in Russia’s skies are over. It is important that this is heard by the ambassadors of countries represented here in Ukraine, as well as by ambassadors working in Moscow.”

          You cherry picked one line without context. His statement is a warning that non military flights will be flying through an active war zone, so proceed with caution. It’s not a threat that he plans to attack civilian targets. He definitely intends to do harm, to Russian military and infrastructure, but if civilians put themselves in harms way, they may end up as an accidental casualty. That’s different than some like Putin who specifically targets civilians.

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              I didn’t say you didn’t read it, but I did say that you were disingenuous for cherry picking part of the quote leaving out the rest of the context. The first paragraph is a fair warning to anyone flying in airspace that is going to get more dangerous. That’s not him saying he’s targeting civilians or that he intends to.

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        “Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account”

        “We in Ukraine do not want innocent lives to be lost. That is why we are warning our partners: the safe days in Russia’s skies are over.

        totally not going to kill civilians, sure.

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      Entirely reasonable attitude, except that’s not what he says is the plan. I know you haven’t read it, so it’s just a question of not reading or whether you’re a Russian paid agitator/bot.