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I love how Putin talked shit about the instability of US democracy after the Jan 6 riot. Although it was admittedly a pretty embarrassing moment, it certainly wasn’t a civil war. Enjoy that karma Putin
I mean, Jan 6 was a coup attempt, just a shitty one. Don’t forget that the “riot” wasn’t just a spur of the moment thing; it was orchestrated and planned with the “tours” the day before, the suspiciously small Capitol Police force on duty that day (compared e.g. to the BLM protests the summer before), the Secret Service attempt to get rid of Pence and subsequent coverup, etc.
I hadn’t heard about the secret service and pence, have some more details on that?
Without looking anything up, some secret service guy told pence he needed to get in a car to be driven away to safety, which would mean he couldn’t certify the election. Lucky he refused.
That’s because he was proud They more or less orchestrated that s***.
Hopefully this is the end of the war and putin leaves Ukraine.
Hopefully it ends the war, Putin, and deals a serious blow to the global rise of fascism.
Lol. Who do you think controls Wagner group?
Hint: it’s another fascist.
Only the biggest toughman rules russia.
Well fuck.
Can’t we have something good for a change?
I’m sick of these fascists ruining everything.
Yeah, but he’s against the war in Ukraine. If anything he would probably consolidate power for the next 10 years and leave the rest of the world alone.
Lol, because that’s how Russian warlords operate. “No, it’s cool, I’ll just chill here and not invade anybody”.
Prigozhin is as bad (if not worse) than Putin. The rest of the world would be no safer with him running Russia. Best-case scenario is that this bullshit destabilizes the country to the point that Putin is deposed, somebody rational takes the lead, and they agree to cease all operations in Ukraine in exchange for western assistance putting down the Wagner rebellion. It’ll take all of a week to stomp out Wagner, if Russia allows the rest of the world to do it.
He will need several years to consolidate his power before he can do much external. Those are years the rest of us get to prepare.
But is there any moderates left in Russia?
Hmm, don’t be so sure.
The Wagner head is certainly unhappy with the war in Ukraine - calling it a “disgrace” - but not because the Russian military is wiping out entire cities and committing war crimes.
He’s critical of the army and its leadership for not fighting well enough.
Russian forces have had to retreat from territories they’d gained, and Prigozhin says army bosses are weak because they are unwilling to use tactical nuclear weapons.
But Prigozhin has also repeated Moscow’s propaganda to justify the invasion, calling people living in eastern Ukraine “genetically Russian”.
“This is a sacred war against those who offend Russian people,” he said in his recent statement.
So Prigozhin must be seen as part of the radical pro-war group in Russia who are demanding more drastic action to defeat Ukraine.
And in their view, the current leadership is unable to achieve this.
My hope is that Russia barely manages to defeat the Wagner group, then is left so weakened that their corrupt government completely collapses and real change can start
This is the ideal outcome for Ukraine and the “West”
Wagner are mad at Putin because he won’t use battlefield nukes. I suspect the best outcome of this is that Wagner lose, but that dealing with the coup means Putin’s forces get pulled away from the Ukraine conflict for some time, allowing the Ukrainian offensive to make more significant progress.
Yeah and he’s also been shitting on the Russian army for like over a year now. Lack of ammunition promised, losing territory, etc. Infighting is great, but in the event Wagner didn’t turn around and took control, I don’t think he woulda stopped going after Ukraine.
Fascist-on-fascist infighting is a good thing. Ideally, they would all annihilate each other and do less damage to everybody else.
Can we have a rule about titles matching headlines?
Agreed.
Never interrupt an adversary while they’re making mistakes.
