cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/6400327
[https://sh.itjust.works/post/6400327] > In case anyone is wondering, it’s rqd2.
> > >
[https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/93d08422-cab7-4b38-a23d-884c7925f346.webp]
> > The definition of paraphilia is “a condition characterized by abnormal
sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities.”, which can
inclde pedophilia. > > It has recieved 4 censures from fediseer due to the
content contained on that instance
[https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/rqd2.net] > > Not a good look for
Lemmy to be promoting any instance like that. > > You can see for yourself here
[https://join-lemmy.org/instances] > Update: A pull request was sent to remove
the sus instance. It should no longer show up soon
[https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site/pull/247]
see linked post. I believe this would count as one of the examples given in the federation policy https://lemm.ee/post/401063 :
An instance which is knowingly spreading CSAM into the federated network
Great and if they retreat further and further into Nazi/Pedo instances instead of engaging with the criticism and condemnation of their views and actions then that just curates for us a list of people that need to be excised from society at large. Online or otherwise.
This creates a list of people that should be placed in reeducation programs post-revolution. I don’t see a problem with it.
Why are you so worried about Nazi and pedo shit getting silenced? I am beginning to suspect you might have an ulterior motive here.
If you concentrate them all into one place they reinforce their own views and don’t get told to stfu by others on the internet, the problem is this way they don’t get silenced, just hidden
Okay so what is your alternative? Throw them into a pit and bury them? Let them continue to spread their virulent bigotry?
I think reeducation programs sounds pretty humane to me.
If you believe in the so-called “free marketplace of ideas” then you need some reeducation yourself honestly. Fucking look around you. Where has that brought you?
Also calling reeducation “dystopian” while the US prison slavery market exists is fucking rich.
You’re basically also doing slavery apologia right now.
You literally cannot conceive of anything outside the hegemonic worldview of liberal capitalism that is being contested right now. You are doing the exact same retreat to an echo chamber that you decry, but the echo chamber is in your own head and the walls are these thought terminating cliches you keep regurgitating.
You are doing the exact same retreat to an echo chamber that you decry, but the echo chamber is in your own head and the walls are these thought terminating cliches you keep regurgitating.
I think the solution is force them to integrate with society and not give them the opportunity to have an echo chamber which may well mean in this case defederating as you can’t do anything about them
Also yeah fuck the us prison system I never once claimed the US government were not also fucked.
Can’t actually find any other questions in your wall of text there to answer the rest is just personally attacking me
fuck you, being forced to deal with people who would kill me given half the chance is not something I will ever do. I will oppose them by any means necessary, regardless of what the broader society thinks of such.
So what, it’s better to have Nazis and pedos out in the open? Do you think you’ll give them a West Wing speech and they’ll magically realize the error of their ways? Nazis aren’t looking for people to challenge their views.
Its honestly even more unfathomable to imagine talking people out of it in the case of what instance is being discussed for defederation here: an instance with a comm for pedophiles who are pro-contact and think children can consent. You can’t fucking debate a pro-contact pedophile out of being pro-contact. I’m a strong rehabilitationist so I wouldn’t want to execute them and would consider chemical castration a last resort (also, whats the science on that? does that even work?) so I would go with isolation from society where they can’t hurt kids and deep, deep fucking therapy, and possibly restorative justice if they have actually victimized anyone. But individuals online are not going to convince a fucking pro-contact pedophile that sex with kids is wrong. And you definitely aren’t going to be able to use debate to get them to stop being attracted to kids in the first place.
Like, fuck, if the comm was for anti-contact pedophiles who strictly gather for the purpose of supporting each other in remaining strong in their convictions, then I wouldn’t want to nuke the community from existence (as long as thats ALL its for, and they arent like sharing fantasies with each other and other shit). Still wouldn’t want to be federated with them though. Don’t want to see that shit.
also, whats the science on that? does that even work?
I’ve looked this up before (admittedly it was kind of cursory) and from what I could tell the conclusion was that it doesn’t seem to, that its apparent success cases seem to be from other factors (rehabilitation, gaming the diagnostic system, etc.) rather than the procedure itself having the desired effect. I don’t really know what is true, but just wanted to mention it since you asked.
Anyway, I think you’re correct in all of your assessments there. I’d even say federating with an anti-contact, anti-CSAM, anti-fantasy (etc.) instance would be worth considering once instances can be blocked, simply because they are trying to help people not be predators, but I can see why other people would be uncomfortable with such a thing. The instance in question, however, is not and cannot be any of those things and should be illegal to run.
getting banned is silencing them, fool. it prevents them from recruiting more people. they can talk to themselves day in and day out but without fresh meat they can’t grow. the lesson of the last decade is that deplatforming 100% works. your free speech bullshit is exactly how nazis cover for themselves. liberals clutching pearls about muh just provides them a defense.
free speech for who, for what purpose, and at what cost? do you ever stop and think about the people harmed by the presence of the people you’re JAQing off for?
everyone has a line past which they won’t tolerate “free speech” – if they were advocating for the murder of the people you love 0% chance you’d be pulling this shit. the problem is you feel safe and comfortable in the knowledge that they don’t threaten you. you’re comfortable with the bigotry, shielded by the bottomless chasm of your ignorance. wake up call: if they seize power, they will hurt you and everyone you love, just as much as the rest of us. you’re not fucking safe.
They don’t just get hidden, they get suppressed and repressed. Their views are less widespread and influential. They are more often ignored by the workings of power and economy. Shove the nazis into a hole and seal it up, good riddance.
This is a good point, less people that know about the echo chamber the less they recruit which I guess keeps them isolated but they will always find ways to attract more of their own
I appreciate you being one of few people who doesn’t immediately jump to hurling insults
Great and if they retreat further and further into Nazi/Pedo instances instead of engaging with the criticism and condemnation of their views and actions then that just curates for us a list of people that need to be excised from society at large. Online or otherwise.
This creates a list of people that should be placed in reeducation programs post-revolution. I don’t see a problem with it.
Why are you so worried about Nazi and pedo shit getting silenced? I am beginning to suspect you might have an ulterior motive here.
If you concentrate them all into one place they reinforce their own views and don’t get told to stfu by others on the internet, the problem is this way they don’t get silenced, just hidden
Reeducation programs sound very dystopian to me
Okay so what is your alternative? Throw them into a pit and bury them? Let them continue to spread their virulent bigotry?
I think reeducation programs sounds pretty humane to me.
If you believe in the so-called “free marketplace of ideas” then you need some reeducation yourself honestly. Fucking look around you. Where has that brought you?
Also calling reeducation “dystopian” while the US prison slavery market exists is fucking rich.
You’re basically also doing slavery apologia right now.
You literally cannot conceive of anything outside the hegemonic worldview of liberal capitalism that is being contested right now. You are doing the exact same retreat to an echo chamber that you decry, but the echo chamber is in your own head and the walls are these thought terminating cliches you keep regurgitating.
got his ass lol
explain yourself or I am going to ban you from Hexbear and inform the lemm.ee mods that you need to be banned for Nazi/pedo apologia.
you have 24 hours. I am going to work now.
Go fuck yourself.
If you read my responses to more civil users you’ll get any answers you want
I suspect you don’t want answers you just want a witch hunt though
OH NO!!! The CIVILITY!
Bruh what the fuck you think you were talking about when you claimed people should be shunned for saying horrible shit.
Cuz that is what is happening to you right now.
I think the solution is force them to integrate with society and not give them the opportunity to have an echo chamber which may well mean in this case defederating as you can’t do anything about them
Also yeah fuck the us prison system I never once claimed the US government were not also fucked.
Can’t actually find any other questions in your wall of text there to answer the rest is just personally attacking me
lmao you call this a wall of text? Your comment is almost as long…
fuck you, being forced to deal with people who would kill me given half the chance is not something I will ever do. I will oppose them by any means necessary, regardless of what the broader society thinks of such.
So what, it’s better to have Nazis and pedos out in the open? Do you think you’ll give them a West Wing speech and they’ll magically realize the error of their ways? Nazis aren’t looking for people to challenge their views.
CW: CSA
spoiler
Its honestly even more unfathomable to imagine talking people out of it in the case of what instance is being discussed for defederation here: an instance with a comm for pedophiles who are pro-contact and think children can consent. You can’t fucking debate a pro-contact pedophile out of being pro-contact. I’m a strong rehabilitationist so I wouldn’t want to execute them and would consider chemical castration a last resort (also, whats the science on that? does that even work?) so I would go with isolation from society where they can’t hurt kids and deep, deep fucking therapy, and possibly restorative justice if they have actually victimized anyone. But individuals online are not going to convince a fucking pro-contact pedophile that sex with kids is wrong. And you definitely aren’t going to be able to use debate to get them to stop being attracted to kids in the first place.
Like, fuck, if the comm was for anti-contact pedophiles who strictly gather for the purpose of supporting each other in remaining strong in their convictions, then I wouldn’t want to nuke the community from existence (as long as thats ALL its for, and they arent like sharing fantasies with each other and other shit). Still wouldn’t want to be federated with them though. Don’t want to see that shit.
I’ve looked this up before (admittedly it was kind of cursory) and from what I could tell the conclusion was that it doesn’t seem to, that its apparent success cases seem to be from other factors (rehabilitation, gaming the diagnostic system, etc.) rather than the procedure itself having the desired effect. I don’t really know what is true, but just wanted to mention it since you asked.
Anyway, I think you’re correct in all of your assessments there. I’d even say federating with an anti-contact, anti-CSAM, anti-fantasy (etc.) instance would be worth considering once instances can be blocked, simply because they are trying to help people not be predators, but I can see why other people would be uncomfortable with such a thing. The instance in question, however, is not and cannot be any of those things and should be illegal to run.
that’s hard to do without exposing victims of CSA to it. better I think to recommend people go there if they need a place to talk about it.
Fair enough
So are you going to actually reply to my question?
What are these controversial topics you are afraid of not being allowed to discuss?
Get to the fucking point.
Explain yourself or fuck off.
Explain yourself mfer.
getting banned is silencing them, fool. it prevents them from recruiting more people. they can talk to themselves day in and day out but without fresh meat they can’t grow. the lesson of the last decade is that deplatforming 100% works. your free speech bullshit is exactly how nazis cover for themselves. liberals clutching pearls about muh
just provides them a defense.
free speech for who, for what purpose, and at what cost? do you ever stop and think about the people harmed by the presence of the people you’re JAQing off for?
everyone has a line past which they won’t tolerate “free speech” – if they were advocating for the murder of the people you love 0% chance you’d be pulling this shit. the problem is you feel safe and comfortable in the knowledge that they don’t threaten you. you’re comfortable with the bigotry, shielded by the bottomless chasm of your ignorance. wake up call: if they seize power, they will hurt you and everyone you love, just as much as the rest of us. you’re not fucking safe.
Very well said. These motherfuckers will be lined up right along side us in the death camps.
They don’t just get hidden, they get suppressed and repressed. Their views are less widespread and influential. They are more often ignored by the workings of power and economy. Shove the nazis into a hole and seal it up, good riddance.
This is a good point, less people that know about the echo chamber the less they recruit which I guess keeps them isolated but they will always find ways to attract more of their own
I appreciate you being one of few people who doesn’t immediately jump to hurling insults