• Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    3 年前

    That takes faith of one kind or another.

    Bullshit. You can choose any number of career or volunteer paths that demonstrably help people or society without needing any “faith”.

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      Here’s the context of that sentence that you are quoting: “You can’t get people to work together in a coordinated way without some ideal in their minds, they have to believe that their effort might not help themselves directly but might help make future civilization a better place. That takes faith of one kind or another.”

      I was talking about getting people to work together for a better world, not an individual choice"

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          “the betterment of mankind” is an intangible idea that you are choosing to believe in. That’s faith.

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            It’s very tangible. Quantifiable even. Higher literacy rates. Lower teen pregnancy. Higher incomes. Longer lifespans. Lower carbon emissions. And so on.