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exploding-heads are infiltrating our discussions - lemm.ee
lemm.eeThe screenshot shows the recommendations from https://join-lemmy.org/
[https://join-lemmy.org/]. Still being federated with exploding-heads does not
mean the instance supports them. But it means that shit-heads are allowed to
take part in the discussions on their communities. They do intoxicate the
discussions we will have. They will attack minorities. Maybe you will not be
harassed by them, more vulnerable people will be. They are allowed to moderate
communities on these instances. Exploding-heads members actively guide young and
unknowing people to their hateful instance. They try to start discussions about
the holocaust https://sh.itjust.works/post/227268
[https://sh.itjust.works/post/227268]. They create communities only to crosspost
exploding-heads content https://lemmy.world/c/pharma
[https://lemmy.world/c/pharma] They take over discussions against them
https://exploding-heads.com/comment/132189
[https://exploding-heads.com/comment/132189] “WHY are vulnerable people joining
a decentralized system? Isnt this why you want a closed, not for public eyes
community?” This was a link to exploding-heads, because when someone copies a
permalink of a comment from them on another instance, it will be a link to their
instance. Are we building a place where vulnerable people are welcome and safe
or are we building a place where nazis are welcome and safe? They want you to
block them, they comment that everywhere. They block people who are in favor of
defederating them https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714
[https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714] When their opponents won’t see them
anymore, they can harass and recruit without being noticed. Blocking will not
solve the problem. They will spread even when you close your eyes. M̶a̶y̶b̶e̶
t̶h̶i̶s̶ w̶a̶s̶ n̶o̶t̶ d̶o̶n̶e̶ i̶n̶t̶e̶n̶t̶i̶o̶n̶a̶l̶l̶y̶, b̶u̶t̶ n̶o̶w̶ there
is a post with a list of ‘health communities on Lemmy’ with the first entry
guiding to exploding heads. https://lemmy.world/post/396561
[https://lemmy.world/post/396561] It is still possible that some of the
mentioned instances do support them. The owner of sh.itjust.works says that
because of “free speech” all other instances would be allowed. It is suspicious
to me that his line is drawn only for lemmygrad
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/130474 [https://sh.itjust.works/comment/130474]
>The decision to block the Lemmygrad instance was less a question of censorship,
and more an issue of personal conviction. As a volunteer dedicating my personal
resources and time to facilitating a space for users to create, discover, and
discuss - not just on this instance, but across the Fediverse - I admit that
this choice was made alone, selfishly, without the consent or thoroughly
considering the collective opinion of the community. With the above said,
sh.itjust.works has had the lemmygrad instance blocked from its first day. >I’d
like to also point out that the lemmygrad instance has far more blocked
instances than what is currently blocked here. Maybe you can create a post on
that instance to see what that’s all about and report back? At the same time
they seem to ignore the call and vote to defederate with exploding-heads
https://sh.itjust.works/post/433483 [https://sh.itjust.works/post/433483]. They
rejected to delete The_Donald from sh.itjust.works until they feared to get
isolated from the other instances: https://lemmy.ml/post/1467310
[https://lemmy.ml/post/1467310]. They where aware of The_Donald and ignored
early warnings. (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/266248
[https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/266248]). TD was more important to them than
keeping the only mod of their 4th biggest community c/patientgamers
(https://sh.itjust.works/post/291747 [https://sh.itjust.works/post/291747],
https://sh.itjust.works/post/388922 [https://sh.itjust.works/post/388922]) Since
The_Donald was removed, I did not find more racist content on the mentioned
servers. That is part their tactics. They act harmless but recruit to their
instance, attract likeminded people and chase others away. Discussions on
sh.itjust.works about such topics are very toxic already, soon they might be
able to do more harm. (My research is very limited, as i could not search for
all exploding-heads member content on other instances by entering their domain.
I know there are nice communities on sh.itjust.works.) What can be done? On
joinmastodon.org [http://joinmastodon.org] there is a Mastodon Server Covenant
with very few useful rules, one of them is “Active moderation against racism,
sexism, homophobia and transphobia”. https://joinmastodon.org/covenant
[https://joinmastodon.org/covenant] It would be a first step to implement these
rules for join-lemmy.org [http://join-lemmy.org]. At least instances that want
to be recommended on there should have to agree to that rule. More actions
should be taken now. Please make suggestions. Things will only become more
complicated. The next reddit wave is incoming. For those who did not already
know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance]
https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-explains-why-he-swiftly-kicks-nazis-out-of-his-punk-bar-even-if-theyre-not-bothering-anyone
[https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-explains-why-he-swiftly-kicks-nazis-out-of-his-punk-bar-even-if-theyre-not-bothering-anyone]
This is not the first time new platforms face these problems, do we really have
to repeat the same mistakes? -Share/crosspost -Contact admins
See longer post (not by me) there, if all is true then they should fall under both the spam and mass lemm.ee rule breaking defederation rules, both bigotry and abusive language, though not always in combination.
Also the covenant thing Mastodon has would probably be a good idea.
It’s not just Germans. If you associate with Nazi’s (you are) then you are a Nazi. You actively made that choice.
Honest question, from someone who absolutely does not want to associate with nazis:
I can understand leaving an instance that allows nazis, but there has to be some limit to “don’t ever associate with nazis” - a silly example perhaps, but if a nazi moves into my town, do I have to leave town?
I mean, I understand leaving Fediverse instances and moving from a town in real life are two totally different things, but at the same time, it’s the same principle - don’t stay where nazis are allowed. Even if it’s pretty clear cut that you should leave the instance, I’m just saying that perhaps sometimes there are exceptions to the “don’t stay where nazis are allowed” rule.
I mean, it depends. If Nazis are coming to your town you should organise and make them leave again, or at least keep their head down and out of sight. You know, the usual Antifa stuff: Friendly letter to e.g. venues whether they really want to host Nazis, to landlords, to employers, whatnot. Raise the social cost of doing Nazi things. Collecting sufficient intelligence is always the first line of action, the second is a thorough analysis of the situation, choosing the right mode of action to have the maximum amount of people behind you etc, anything else is actionism. If in doubt, be creative.
If, OTOH, you move to a small village in East Germany and, participating in an ordinary village grill-out suddenly realise everyone is laughing at the Holocaust joke someone wrote on their BBQ smoker – you’re probably the only non-Nazi there. For your own safety and sanity, yep, high-tail out of there. If your safety and sanity aren’t in danger in that situation chances are you’re a Nazi, or at least sufficiently adjacent.
At least over here they really tried the “just a regular guy doing regular things, nothing to see, helpful friendly chap” approach, e.g. Nazis joining volunteer fire brigades, in an attempt to normalise themselves. As in Germany the municipalities can’t generally prevent someone from joining up the rest of the fire department threatened resignation which then gave the municipality the necessary reason to deny the Nazi membership.