For those not aware, “LDS Church” == Mormon. Their current prophet is trying to rebrand them from the mormon moniker, some believe in part to distance themselves from the whole Boy Scouts of America sex abuse scandal and settlement that fell through (the mormon church was the biggest single supporter of that org).
Also, for those not aware, the Book of Mormon, the Broadway Musical, is on tour currently. I had seen it a few years ago and am going again when they come here next month. Great show, highly recommend. Hasa diga Eebowai!
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LDS isn’t a new term or anything though. It’s always been their formal name
LDS the abbreviation is even out:
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While the term “Mormon Church” has long been publicly applied to the Church as a nickname, it is not an authorized title, and the Church discourages its use. Thus, please avoid using the abbreviation “LDS” or the nickname “Mormon” as substitutes for the name of the Church, as in “Mormon Church,” “LDS Church,” or “Church of the Latter-day Saints.”
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When referring to Church members, the terms “members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” or “Latter-day Saints” are preferred. We ask that the term “Mormons” not be used.
Rusty really jumped the shark with this one. Let’s see how fast Oaks or Eyring let the policy slowly fade down the memory hole. Honestly I wish it were Uchtdorf who would be the next prophet, but he’s not the oldest (oh and Rusty gave him the boot out of the 1st presidency too).
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The formal name of the Church has always been The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Its name is part of Latter-day Saint doctrine, and it is no secret that the reason we are turning away from the derogatory epithet “Mormon” is because it downplays our central belief in Jesus Christ. The attempt by the Church in the early-to-mid 2000s to reclaim the term was meant to educate the public on its actual beliefs, but that effort clearly failed. The Church is less interested in its public image now than it was back then.
Don’t try to gaslight me, I was deacons/teachers quorum president, priests first assistant, an eagle scout, more baptisms for the dead than I could shake a stick at, ordained aaronic/melchezdik priesthood, all the men in my family RMs, and most on the bishopric at some point or another.
That’s some serious cognitive dissonance if you believe believe “Mormon” ever was or is an epithet. Do you think Monson was controlled by the devil to launch and sustain the “I’m a Mormon” the campaign? No? Then do you think he wasn’t guided by the Lord to start the campaign, even though it was doomed to fail? How about Hinckley saying Mormon should mean “more good” all the way back in the '90s, putting Nelson back in his place, was the prophet being deceived by Satan then? Was Hinckley not being guided by the Lord?
Something’s not adding up, and to get past it requires a ton of mental gymnastics, like the kind you’re applying.
It’s pretty common for marginalized groups to attempt to reclaim derogatory epithets that target them. For example, American revolutionaries took over the term “Yankee”, which was derogatory, and LGBT folks have reclaimed the term “queer”. Unfortunately, such attempts are not always successful, and it’s obvious that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ attempt to reclaim “Mormon” is an example.
Regardless, the history of the derogatory epithet “Mormon” is well-known. It is founded in attempts to dehumanize and marginalize Latter-day Saints, and its use can be traced back to acts of genocide in the 1830s.
I understand that leaving the Church is an emotional experience and leaves most people very bitter, but do try to moderate your hatred.
*Shows up to thread about church abuse, defends his church on arcane and semantic grounds.
Not really trying to defend anything, other than educating people about the proper name of the Church.
I reject your claim that Mormon was ever or is an epithet, and I reject that this is an explanation church leadership has ever attempted to use before RMN (and I’ve never heard his presidency trying to pass it off as such). Please present authoritative evidence of your claims (and not just rhetoric from apologists like FAIR, which do not have actual church endorsement).
I understand that leaving the Church is an emotional experience and leaves most people very bitter, but do try to moderate your hatred.
Who ever said I left the church?
It happened at least as far back as 1982. It certainly was used derogatorily during the genocide in Missouri in 1938.
Who ever said I left the church?
Your tone and combativeness feels very r/exmormon. In other words, you come across as a bitter disaffected former member.
What you’ve mistaken for anger is conviction. Conviction that the church should be held to the same standard of honesty that it holds the membership to.
Not too long ago people were being excommunicated for challenging leadership to be honest and open about its history, or even asking questions about it. I think those challenges were partly responsible for the church finally fessing up to some of its problematic past (e.g., see the gospel topic essays, a huge step for them to publicly publish this).
So perhaps that’s where you’ve judged me incorrectly too: most members aren’t used to leadership being openly challenged. In the past that’s been labeled as apostasy, even if our history has recorded that common consent should allow for a certain level of dissent; this has been mostly forgotten.
Selected excerpts:
Sam Penrod, a spokesperson for the church, said it does not screen therapists that its leaders are paying. He said that Family Services, a nonprofit arm of the church, maintains a list of licensed professionals that bishops can refer to when recommending therapy. It does not individually vet those mental health workers, he added. That, he said, falls to individual church members.
But Millet said his therapy sessions in [Scott] Owen’s Provo office quickly turned physical and then sexual — with the therapist cuddling with him, kissing him and groping him.
“Since he referred me to Scott [Owen], who was another bishop at the time, it seemed that this was required of me academically and religiously,” Millet said. “Trying to say no to either of them would have been overwhelming at that time in my life.”
Yeah, this wasn’t just some therapist completely unconnected from the LDS church apart from the “referral.” He was not only a “therapist,” but a person in a position of authority in the LDS church.
This is systemic.
Anyone who knows anything about the LDS church shoulda seen that coming
Bunch of absolutely fucked nutters who shouldn’t be allowed power of any kind
religion and sex abuse go hand and hand
Name a better duo
