cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/830212
The absolutely beautiful reason that I can tell that they still aren’t agreeing to Fords concessions is because they in solidarity with new workers that don’t even exist yet, are demanding that Fords new battery plants they are building be placed under the same labor agreement they are fighting for.
“The UAW, according to Ford officials, has taken a hard line on requiring the company’s four new battery plants be placed under the terms of the labor agreement.”
And surely there won’t be a drastic drop in quality when they hire too few workers who have no experience. This will mean delays and recalls on purchases.
It’s Ford. How much lower can the quality go?
They could start pre-rusting the fenders!
GM
As much as I like to shit on GM and their poor designs I don’t know that I would place them under Ford.
I’d agree but it’s close. The transmissions in fiesta’s and the 3k water pump jobs on the v6’s put them under GM in my book. They both have timing chain issues, but you can at least easily change the waterpumps on the v6 gms.
Dodge was right there.
No CarPlay or Android Auto.
Wait —they’re actually doing that
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Or worse: Stellantis
Maybe they’re committed to F.O.R.D. - Fix or Repair daily.
That’s Fiat Dale
Found On Road Dead
Pinto quality.
Probably still better than the Escape and Fiesta put together quality.
Didn’t the last company that tried this have to shut down factories due to scabs wrecking it thru lack of training?
EDIT: Yep, it was Kellog’s & they totally lost that battle.
Would be a shame if some “scabs” “without training” “accidentally” destroyed the factory
Sometimes I can be so “clumsy” with my bags of sand and metal filings around expensive machinery. Can’t break tradition though. Gotta always have my bags of lucky dust.
Aw man, I dropped my bag of thermite and accidentally lit it on fire
Oh shit, was that your lucky bag?
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Institutionalknowledgesayswhat?
Yeah. If this goes through don’t even touch a Ford vehicle from the years 2024-2026 at least. Will be full of defects.
Ford has the most recalls of any automaker in the US the last like three years running though. So maybe don’t buy a new ford from anytime in the last like 5 years either.
Though, proportionally, Tesla has the most, by a large margin.
I don’t know how Ford does things, but if your process is well documented and controlled new workers can produce just as good a quality. The biggest problem should be just how slow. I can put new wipers on a car - or whatever it is each person is doing, but someone with experience can do things much faster.
And if you rush them, then things go wrong in a hurry. It doesn’t matter how much documentation you have if the operator skips steps or plain old makes a mistake.
I’ve personally blown up thousands of dollars in tooling making stupid mistakes when I was a junior machinist being told we had deadlines to meet. I’ve seen other guys forget to probe a work offset and crash the machine so badly it needs a spindle rebuild. A press operator can wreck a $100,000 die set if they make even relatively easy mistakes, and if that happens to the wrong tool, it can completely shut down production for months for a repair or rebuild.
If there’s a 1 in a million chance that any of those 10,000 employees makes a big, showstopping mistake on a given day, then after 100 days, there’s a 63% chance of that event happening.
Correct, but not that the union people all has to learn things at some point. Ford has to train several hundred new people every year anyway.
“Several hundred” is two orders of magnitude less than 10,000.
Are those recalls gonna happen next quarter? No?
Then they don’t care.
Workers are, after all, fungible
Seriously, this sounds like pure negligence. These are multi-thousand pound killing machines. How many safety lawsuits will come out of this?
If they do not equal or exceed profits, it’s just the cost of doing business.