• Dogyote@slrpnk.net
      2·
      1 year ago

      But will their lives really be any different whether they win or lose? It’s not like they’re being invaded by a country with a different economic system.

      Edit: Look at Crimea, how’d that go for the average Crimean? Any significant differences in their quality of life?

      • Zorque@kbin.social
        27·
        1 year ago

        If you see no differences between the Ukrainian government, flawed as it has been, and the Russian government under Putin… you may need to look a little deeper.

          • MxM111@kbin.social
            16·
            1 year ago

            Ukrainians disagree. And they are the ones that matter. If you want to live in slavery or without political rights, it is your choice, of course.

            • Dogyote@slrpnk.net
              1·
              1 year ago

              Well yeah, it’s up to them, but I don’t think they’re monolithic. They’ll eventually negotiate once they run out of men or weapons. I don’t think they’d be slaves if Russia captured Kyiv either. Perhaps without political rights, but that wasn’t much different than before.

              • MxM111@kbin.social
                1·
                1 year ago

                I think that’s exactly the point - they know how it was before, and they know how it can be by looking in neighboring EU.

                  • MxM111@kbin.social
                    2·
                    1 year ago

                    “Give me liberty or give me death”

                    — Patric Henry

                    “There are very few things worth dying for, liberty for yourself and for your loved ones is one of them”

                    — MxM111

          • grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world
            6·
            1 year ago

            I’m going to over to your place, take over the nicest room, lock a few people in the basement if they complain, and you’ll be going to work everyday to pay for this. Sound good?

            • Dogyote@slrpnk.net
              2·
              1 year ago

              lol that’s like using household finances to describe how government debt works. Not an accurate analogy at all.

              • grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world
                2·
                1 year ago

                I guess I can head on over.

                Edit: the reason you should not use household finances as an analogy in this is because households do not control monetary policy and most people don’t really understand national and international financial policy (or their own finances half the time).

                In this case, a neighbor making an unprovoked takeover of your house in order to take advantage of the people living there is exactly what happened. The invasion hinges on “might makes right” so it stands to reason that should be fine in the locale of your home if it’s ok for a Ukrainian’s home near the border.

          • wombatula@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            So by that logic, Ukraine and in fact every country that Putin sets his eyes on should just roll over and surrender?

            The mere threat of violence should allow a dictator to take over, as long as the country is moderately corrupt?

            I hate to break it to you, that’s nearly every country in the world, so Putin (or any other dictator) could become the world’s emperor if they just made a credible threat?

            This is why total pacifism is insanity folks.

          • fosforus@sopuli.xyz
            2·
            1 year ago

            Yet somehow almost every nation that’s neighboring Russia is ready to fight Russia just for the privilege of not being in Russia. We cannot all be just delusional.