The TfL director of strategy and policy, Christina Calderato, said the figures showed that the Ulez was “highly effective in taking the oldest, most polluting vehicles off the roads”.
I suspect for the most part - problem solved. Any of those Petrol cars are going to be older than 2006, this probably gave the people the nudge they needed to buy a 2009 second hand car and get their old one scrapped.
theres a churn of car ownership which has a natural beat to it. brand new cars get passed down after 3-4 years into the 2nd hand market and so on, and the proportion of new cars is now significantly more clean - either through new engines being far more efficient or through complete moves to BEV. So the process of becoming cleaner over a decade is well under way. These old cars may have been moved out of london, where the pollution is worst because of all the factors (oxford streets’ strange ecosystem airflow for example because of the height of the stone building, creates a strange envelope which traps pollution in and circulates it) but they will soon be replaced by cleaner and greener cars regardless of where they were moved from because the overall mix of engine type is rapidly changing. Overall, the same filthy 2006 vehicle is less polluting in a different setting, with a different use case and if its older than 2006 probably about to have its wheels fall off in any case.
Poor people do breathe dirty air. Somewhere like Harringey only 40% of households own cars. Thats the poorest 60% who have to hoover up particulates from the richer 40% and the people commuting in.
If it’s segregation by financial status it’s not the poorest the suffer.
It’ll be interesting to see the pollution data when they release it. But the further it expands from the city centre, the less public transport, and the more people are dependent on cars.
It’s be okay if they offered a decent scrappage scheme and invested in a public transport system so fewer cars were needed.
Me neither
Problem moved, not problem solved.
I suspect for the most part - problem solved. Any of those Petrol cars are going to be older than 2006, this probably gave the people the nudge they needed to buy a 2009 second hand car and get their old one scrapped.
theres a churn of car ownership which has a natural beat to it. brand new cars get passed down after 3-4 years into the 2nd hand market and so on, and the proportion of new cars is now significantly more clean - either through new engines being far more efficient or through complete moves to BEV. So the process of becoming cleaner over a decade is well under way. These old cars may have been moved out of london, where the pollution is worst because of all the factors (oxford streets’ strange ecosystem airflow for example because of the height of the stone building, creates a strange envelope which traps pollution in and circulates it) but they will soon be replaced by cleaner and greener cars regardless of where they were moved from because the overall mix of engine type is rapidly changing. Overall, the same filthy 2006 vehicle is less polluting in a different setting, with a different use case and if its older than 2006 probably about to have its wheels fall off in any case.
Diesel could be up to 2015, not sure there’s many families who can just find the cash for a newer car. Sounds like just stop being poor.
You driven behind many pre-2016 diesel cars recently, really not recommended.
Moreover ULEZ was announced in 2015 - by then mayor Boris.
What’s that got to do with it? Do you think poor people choose to drive shitty old cars?
Moreover what? This is segregation by financial status. Poor people can go and breathe dirty air?
Poor people do breathe dirty air. Somewhere like Harringey only 40% of households own cars. Thats the poorest 60% who have to hoover up particulates from the richer 40% and the people commuting in.
If it’s segregation by financial status it’s not the poorest the suffer.
It’ll be interesting to see the pollution data when they release it. But the further it expands from the city centre, the less public transport, and the more people are dependent on cars.
It’s be okay if they offered a decent scrappage scheme and invested in a public transport system so fewer cars were needed.
The problem of the massive concentration of pollution in London is being helped massively by this.
You’re talking about a different problem.
You sound like you are trying to disagree with me, but I think we are in agreement. Confused.