Not sure, but Russia has already begun the process of turning factories, and reportedly even bakeries, into munitions producing facilities. Both sides are gearing up for a long war, and that, I think, is more beneficial for Russia. The west’s attention is already being dragged to the middle east, the manpower is heavily in Russia’s favor, and again… The next election could stop aid to Ukraine in a flash. It’s unreal, how hard we dropped the ball.
Hope you’re right, but the reason cluster munitions were sent was because Ukraine was running danger low on ammo. The more this stalemates, and the longer air supremacy is lost, the worse the situation looks for Ukraine.
The sides will run low on different things at different times.
The democracies can definitely out-economy Russia, even without the US. It is a matter of will, and I think it’s there.
It’s easier with the US helping though, mainly due to their huge stockpiles. I’m with Eisenhower on the military industrial complex which is, for once, a source of hope.
What Andrew says was correct, of course, but Zelenskyy was under pressure to do something, in order to keep the inertia of aid coming in. Now that it looks like a quagmire to the casual observer, things seem a little more perilous.
I agree that the west can out-produce Russia, but I’m less confident that without the US, China will continue to stand by, if that’s what you can call their current actions.
I also agree on the Eisenhower reference, and have pointed out before, that as much as people freak out about it, it’s somewhat necessary. I’m a veteran, and I thought the hero worship of the GWOT was too much, but now I fear that the pendulum has swung too far the opposite way. At least back on reddit, you’d see people absolutely trashing the fools that volunteer for the military, complain that defense spending was far too high, etc. Then, as soon as things pop off, it’s, “Russia better stfu or we’ll come over there and kick their ass”. You can’t have it both ways. I’m pretty Left on most issues, but we can’t even focus on building a good society, if we aren’t secure, first. Our advantageous geography has granted us a lot of leeway, but the world gets smaller, everyday, and our allies aren’t granted those advantages, anyway.
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My read is that defence is much easier than attack, nowadays; and that favours Russia’s current position. I agree re the resource balance - not least because it must always have been the basis of Putin’s thinking.
Ukraine has had a rough few months, for sure. It appears that the Russians have outdone their own doctrine, when it comes to the surovikin line, dooming the Ukrainian offensive. Long term, I don’t think Russia has enough skilled troops to conduct another serious offensive, but I think they’re content to occupy eastern Ukraine. At least until everything is replenished in twenty years, and they decide to move again. The western style of maneuver warfare hasn’t proven fruitful, and that is likely because Ukraine is unable to get and maintain air superiority. But that goes back to my point - the west took too long and sent too little. It’s easy to see why Ukraine is frustrated with the supply situation, and now fatigue is setting in with a lot of people in the US. We’ve fumbled plenty of foreign relations in the past, but this seems like the most justifiable war since WWII, and we’re failing the test.
When the 1950s ammo runs out, what then?
Not sure, but Russia has already begun the process of turning factories, and reportedly even bakeries, into munitions producing facilities. Both sides are gearing up for a long war, and that, I think, is more beneficial for Russia. The west’s attention is already being dragged to the middle east, the manpower is heavily in Russia’s favor, and again… The next election could stop aid to Ukraine in a flash. It’s unreal, how hard we dropped the ball.
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@CJOtheReal
@ag10n
At the moment Ukraine takes out 20-40 Russian artillery pieces a day.
They may end up with ammo and nothing to fire it.
Hope you’re right, but the reason cluster munitions were sent was because Ukraine was running danger low on ammo. The more this stalemates, and the longer air supremacy is lost, the worse the situation looks for Ukraine.
@Redditgee
@CJOtheReal
@ag10n
This is not a stalemate, it’s a war of attrition.
The sides will run low on different things at different times.
The democracies can definitely out-economy Russia, even without the US. It is a matter of will, and I think it’s there.
It’s easier with the US helping though, mainly due to their huge stockpiles. I’m with Eisenhower on the military industrial complex which is, for once, a source of hope.
Also, what Andrew says:
https://nitter.net/AndrewPerpetua/status/1720793282068844920
What Andrew says was correct, of course, but Zelenskyy was under pressure to do something, in order to keep the inertia of aid coming in. Now that it looks like a quagmire to the casual observer, things seem a little more perilous.
I agree that the west can out-produce Russia, but I’m less confident that without the US, China will continue to stand by, if that’s what you can call their current actions.
I also agree on the Eisenhower reference, and have pointed out before, that as much as people freak out about it, it’s somewhat necessary. I’m a veteran, and I thought the hero worship of the GWOT was too much, but now I fear that the pendulum has swung too far the opposite way. At least back on reddit, you’d see people absolutely trashing the fools that volunteer for the military, complain that defense spending was far too high, etc. Then, as soon as things pop off, it’s, “Russia better stfu or we’ll come over there and kick their ass”. You can’t have it both ways. I’m pretty Left on most issues, but we can’t even focus on building a good society, if we aren’t secure, first. Our advantageous geography has granted us a lot of leeway, but the world gets smaller, everyday, and our allies aren’t granted those advantages, anyway.
@Redditgee @ag10n
My read is that defence is much easier than attack, nowadays; and that favours Russia’s current position. I agree re the resource balance - not least because it must always have been the basis of Putin’s thinking.
Ukraine has had a rough few months, for sure. It appears that the Russians have outdone their own doctrine, when it comes to the surovikin line, dooming the Ukrainian offensive. Long term, I don’t think Russia has enough skilled troops to conduct another serious offensive, but I think they’re content to occupy eastern Ukraine. At least until everything is replenished in twenty years, and they decide to move again. The western style of maneuver warfare hasn’t proven fruitful, and that is likely because Ukraine is unable to get and maintain air superiority. But that goes back to my point - the west took too long and sent too little. It’s easy to see why Ukraine is frustrated with the supply situation, and now fatigue is setting in with a lot of people in the US. We’ve fumbled plenty of foreign relations in the past, but this seems like the most justifiable war since WWII, and we’re failing the test.