I said it once, I’ll say it again:
Residentjal property shouldn’t be allowed to be an investment. Or heavily taxed to make it unprofitable unless you live there yourself.
“Flow will operate multi-family residential properties that aim to foster a feeling of ownership and community”
How cynical…
No single word in the English vocabulary grates against me more than when I hear owners of residential property refer to it as “units”.
It’s so dehumanizing. Rather, it’s monetizing humanity.
Indeed. This euphemism triggers easily.
You can’t spell humanity without unit after all.
You might want to inspect those words again
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Sure if you pick non-adjacent letters, but unit is not in humanity adjacently
Reminds me of “human resources”. My experiences with HR have also been largely negative. They’re there to protect and make sure the humans are a resource to the company, not for the humans and humanity.
Selling the “feeling of ownership” to the have-nots. Wow.
Aye. This one hits nicely. Even though it wasn’t the topic at all.
aim to foster a feeling of ownership and community
Sounds like EA got into property management
Every room a dlc. They’ll never repair the broken shit. Prices go uo regularly. On your windows are ads. And they’ll ring your doorbell every hour to ask money or cookies. Sounds about right 😁
Residentjal property shouldn’t be allowed to be an investment. Or heavily taxed to make it unprofitable unless you live there yourself.
Why would anyone build new apartment buildings if that were the law? We desperately need to be building more housing, and denser housing.
There also is a thing called public property. Some time ago our government build and owned buildings. Everyone had a cheap home. The moment you privatize a thing you become an investment.
They’d build them so they can sell them. You can own apartments too.
So everyone needs to be able to spend the upfront capital to buy a home? What about people who want to rent? There are lots of advantages to not buying.
The advantages you mention are a result of inflated values. Your parents generations could much more easily buy a property and decide to sell it within a few years to move somewhere else.
back when I was growing up (I’m under 30) a normal middle class family could own a whole ass house with more rooms than people. today’s housing market is not normal
Loans exist. And reduce the upfront cost in paperwork to buying a house. It shouldn’t cost nearly 5 figures just to get documents signed.
So instead of paying rent, you pay loan payments. And the bank can seize your property if you can’t pay. Sounds like six of one and a half-dozen of the other.
You’re still thinking within the current broken system. The only reason the bank can seize everything unfairly no matter how much had been repaid is because the laws allow it.
Even if you ignore foreclosure, mortgaging still is often more expensive than renting on average in the short term. Because part of what you’re paying for in a mortgage is the fact that it has a finite length.
Mortgage payments build equity and when you move you can sell the property and recoup nearly all of that. Rent is gone.
Foreclosure is a huge issue that needs to be addressed in legislation. All that equity should still exist for the homeowner even if they stop being able to afford payments.
Rent keeps going up, my mortgage is the same regardless of that and I purchased based on what I could afford at that time.
My mortgage is gone because I paid it off. Which is an option, but not for renters who have to pay forever (and in many cases, increasing rates) just to keep hold of the same 1000 SQ ft place.
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Just build more houses.
We have like 10 empty houses for every person experiencing homelessness. How many more do we need to build?
With “we” you surely mean the USA.
Where I live, we don’t. Way too few homes. Especially for the financially challenged. The state fails hard to build as much as he promised to do. So with rising scarcity, prices go brrrrrrrrrrr.
There’s plenty of room even in places like Venezia (source: I was living there). Problem is they are mostly empty because the rich oligarchs bought as an investment and keeps them there empty. This is also compounded by the scourge that is Airbnb that is pricing out everyone.
Crap yeah, I can totally imagine in Venezia. At least we have laws here against empty residential buildings bought as an investment. It’s a start hm?
Oh yes airbnb in cities like that are surely like cancer. Why rent to one person for 500 when i can rent it to 10 for 200 each.
I would like to ask this question: How many live-able houses are there?
And 9 of those 10 are in the middle of Nowhere, Flyover.
Oh neat, just like my house! Maybe I’ll get a neighbor and then there will be 2 people in the US who don’t live on the coast!
who is going to build them
I agree with the spirit of your comment, and I would only add that the practical implementation may need to allow for some leniency.
For instance, you shouldn’t be forced to sell and buy elsewhere if your life circumstances change temporarily. The law in general could allow for renting somewhere and renting out elsewhere. But I would be onboard with the overall intent of such regulation.
Yeah sure. My statement is an oversimplified summary. You’re totally tight.
You’re totally tight.
I should do more stretching.
Fuck… Lol sorry… RIGHT not tight. Omg… I shouldn’t type on the phone 😔
I worked in Tech Startups in London a few years ago, and what was overwhelmingly the main goal of Founders was to make a company that IPOed or was bought out by a larger company.
Not one’s company to lead and guide to achieve some kind of vision (like Steve Jobs with Apple) and which one could pass one to one’s children, but rather something one could quickly sell for tons of money.
And, guess what, something which is basically a scam whose numbers can be beautified and which only works during a period with very specific and historically unusual conditions, absolutelly achieves such a core objective as long as one’s “exit strategy” (one of the main things Founders and Early Investors cared about) is executed before conditions change.
It’s not by chance that the domain is riddled with all sorts of scammy business ideas, up to and including outright scams.
So this article is not at all surprising for me.
don’t forget the role masayoshi had in pissing money away in 30 minutes. charisma and Kool-aid runs (ran?) SV.
I worked for a VC for several years, and this rings true so much. Even outside of exiting, there were so many fabrications in getting funding, even from investors that didn’t know the difference between a “hit” and a “visitor”.
I’ve got many of my own opinions of the tech scene here, but one thing that was often said by outside investors was that in the UK, someone will make £1m and sell up, whereas in North America someone will make £1m and pour it into their next venture. It probably explains why the UK has always struggled in tech, despite having 4-5 elite level universities, and dozens of top universities used by people all around the world. There just seem to be so few real success stories here, and a lot of that is probably down to the political climate.
It’s a cultural problem in the UK at several levels.
For example, a founder who has tried and failed in the UK is finished and will not be given more chances whilst from what’ve heard in the US it’s actually treated as a positive because it means he or she will start his or her next venture with more experience.
Other problems are in the broad access to opportunities: the UK is very classist - to the point that upper classes have theit own accent - and there is quite a well entrenched structure, involving even the mechanisms for access to the best universities (the pair being often named Oxbridge, for Oxford & Cambridge) that means that almost everybody from the upper classes has access to some opportunities and that specific network of interpersonal connections but only a small fraction of people from other social layers have it. That means that the pool of people who have the opportunity to gain the qualifications relevant to be a founder in Tech is limited mainly to those from a subset of society (about 10%) quite independently of merit AND on top of that not having the right accent and language (i.e. the “right” upbringing) results in those who aren’t from those layers of society to be descriminated again.
As for Tech specifically, in the UK an Engineering degree is considered lesser than, say, Law or Political Sciences (quite likely because of the whole mechanism that guarantees upper class people can get into the top universities independently of educational merit and capability, and one can’t really talk one’s way through a degree in Hard Sciences or Engineering as one can in Law) - to the point that for people there an “engineer” is a guy who drives trains or installs heating boilers - or people from Finance (a surprising meritocratic industry there for positions up to Managing Director).
Unsurprisingly, during my time in there what I saw was that the techies were overwhelmingly foreigners, whilst the founders tended to upper-middle and upper class locals.
I was a founder once and I had a very lofty vision for the future. I was very surprised when people started asking me for my exit strategy. What the hell, yo? I am trying to make the world a nicer place, not just fill my pockets.
What happened in the end?
I kept pushing for my vision, which would have taken a bit of patience, but the shareholders kept pushing for faster returns within unreasonable time frames. The other founder was CEO at the time and he didn’t dare resist the shareholders impatience.
The other founder kept changing the company strategy after pretty much every prospect he talked with, because he wanted to make a faster return, which, against my constant back-pressure to get stuff properly done, made us move in all directions without ever really committing to a single strategy or even properly finishing work. We had a period of fast growth for a while, mostly due to a smart sales strategy and a slick story (based on my vision), but then all the unfinished loose ends kept creeping back and we lost a lot of customers to quality issues and an inability to deliver on our promises. Every customer wanted something else and since we were building a platform we could in theory do everything, but in practice we had only a certain amount of developers, so we just couldn’t make them all happy. There was also a real pressure from sales to make prospects and POCs work, but there was very little pressure to make actual production systems produce value, so it seemed we were never really working on the things that our customers actually wanted, but always on features that prospects like and may sell well.
After years of fighting to get the company aligned on a single product strategy, the other founder and I finally got it to that point, but we had lost a lot of business and had to fire nearly 30 people (half the company size). A relatively new power hungry product manager basically did a bunch of shareholder ass kissing behind closed doors. He then got elected as the new CEO, when the old CEO (who really wasn’t very good) got demoted. His true narcisistic/sociopathic nature was then revealed. At that point I couldn’t handle it anymore. The company still exists and I wish them well, but I am so happy to not be involved with it anymore.
It all got started with a lofty vision, but greed for money, status and power basically fucked it over from all sides.
Didn’t he separate from the company a long while ago? Whatever’s happening in WeWork right now isn’t his business anymore
Oh. Are you not aware of the background of this whole thing? The company didn’t fail after he left. The company was a scam right from the start and he was directly involved. He’s just a grifter.
https://jacobin.com/2019/11/wework-adam-neumann-con-artist-grifter-entrepreneur
I am very aware, not saying he wasn’t involved, just that he is no longer involved and hasn’t been for awhile
It’s weird because usually the majority of a startups founders wealth is stock in the company. So even if he left and wasn’t involved, the majority of his wealth would still be tied to the company.
His behavior became a huge liability to the company, so he was bought out by the investors a while back
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Yes.
He’s not associated with the business anymore. Why would he be impacted by its bankruptcy? He was bought out years ago.
But he retained ownership of the offices We work was renting
Well that’s just stupid on the people doing the buying out lol
The scam economy, brought to you by Late Stage Capitalism. Super cool and fun.
*scam and enshittification economy
Shoutout to ColdFusion, who did a nice video on the topic 3 years ago - https://yt.drgnz.club/watch?v=QHQTzeve7OM
Also Adam Neumann’s newest scam https://yt.drgnz.club/watch?v=bmQFc4kMOU8
“CEOs get paid so much because they ASSUME ALL THE RISK”
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I hate waking up every day and being told scams and crimes are the best route through life.
