• 👁️👄👁️
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    13010 months ago

    Reminder that Microsoft is trying to shift Windows to be entirely cloud based, so this can easily happen overnight without your consent. You don’t own your OS. Linux is the only way, unless you’re one of those strange BSD folks.

      • drifty
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        6410 months ago

        Ik this is sarcastic but the video games issue is real regardless of Proton and its derivatives on Linux. Windows really is the best way to game right now

        • @NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu
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          3210 months ago

          I feel that this very much depnd on which games you’re playing. Competitive or Roblox, Windows is the better choice. Majority of the games I play though works without any issues on Linux.

          I’ve heard that some games even are faster on Linux even when running proton buy it isn’t anything I’ve myself has investigated.

          Gaming is one of my main intrests and I’ve been playing on Linux for at least ten years. It’s not for everyone I guess.

          • @imperator@sh.itjust.works
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            810 months ago

            Yeah, I built a new PC at the beginning of the pandemic and went Linux. I don’t even not windows and play all my games on there.

          • @Perfide@reddthat.com
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            210 months ago

            It’s great that it works for what you play, but it doesn’t for me. Hopefully the steamdeck train continues to pick up steam, because it’s pretty much the only reason Linux gaming is gaining ground.

          • @Grimpen@lemmy.ca
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            010 months ago

            I think Roblox is the only game that has the kids booting into Windows. Another reason Roblox sucks, I suppose.

            • @NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu
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              110 months ago

              It really sucks that they went and blocked Linux. Before that it worked flawlessly. I was close to moving my kids over to Linux when they did.

          • @abbadon420@lemm.ee
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            010 months ago

            Are you serious about roblox? Because I’m not much of a gamer, but kids play roblox and I was actualy planning on migrating to linux this summer.

            • @NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu
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              110 months ago

              Unfortunately yes, a month or so Roblox actively blocked Linux än VM:s. They claimed it is only temporarily until their new client is stable so that they can evaluate the results for windows first. General consensus seems to be that could just as well just filtered the results considering that they are able to block Linux all together.

              I haven’t checked it out for a couple of weeks though so I don’t know if a workaround has been found. It’s annoying though because Roblox worked perfectly before that. I would have loved to migrate my kids computer’s to Linux as well since I got problems with rage every time I try to fix things on them 😅

        • LiamBox
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          2710 months ago

          The real problem is some developers being against Linux or the steam deck for the most childish reasons.

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              There’s many different reasons (all of them ignorant or blatantly made in bad faith) but one that I recall off the top of my head is that, since Linux gives users more freedom and more control over their operating system and computer, playing on Linux makes it easier for you to cheat in games. They like that in Windows, there’s parts of the system that Microsoft simply doesn’t allow users to touch, because in some cases, they still can, so they can use that to implement things like rootkits sorry I mean “kernel-level anti-cheat” that users have no effective way of removing or bypassing.

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                1210 months ago

                I have always found this argument disingenuous. Cheaters still find a way. At the end of the day, if you don’t want cheaters, then play games with people you trust.

        • @passepartout@feddit.de
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          1810 months ago

          I went fulltime Linux and therefor bought a full AMD system (better drivers) one year ago. I played about 15 games the last year, some of them AAA titles, rarely had problems, and all of them could be fixed by looking on protondb.com (unless the problems came from the game itself of course).

          There are some titles which will not support Linux on purpose although it surely would run just fine, for whatever reasons, e.g. fortnite.

          • @rbits@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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            510 months ago

            Yeah that’s been my experience, but that won’t be the case for everyone. I mostly play singleplayer games, only a few multiplayer games, so it makes sense that I don’t have issues. But for someone who plays lots of multiplayer games, it wouldn’t work.

        • @_cerpin_taxt_@lemmy.world
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          1010 months ago

          My setup is I have my gaming rig with a 4080 running Windows, then I turned my old PC gaming rig into an unRAID server. It’s a fully automated piracy machine running Plex. I just tell it what I want to download on my website.

          • @ech0@lemm.ee
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            510 months ago

            Same here. Unraid + Arrs + Plex/Jellyfin + Overseer/Ombi + DelugeVPN + 50 other containers I have running

            Excellent setup

        • @boatswain@infosec.pub
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          110 months ago

          What games are problematic on Linux these days? I’ve been Linux only for since Windows 7 server went EoL, and have had shockingly few problems, particularly in the last year or so. The few things that have been problematic with Proton work fine with GloriousEggroll.

      • @winterayars@sh.itjust.works
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        1610 months ago

        I do all my gaming in Linux. Yeah there’s some games i really wanted to play that don’t work in Linux, but there are so many games i can’t hope to play them all anyway.

      • Sploosh the Water
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        1210 months ago

        I made the jump several years ago to full Linux and never looked back. I game a bunch, built my own custom PC’s for years. Linux has been great, and gaming on it has become fantastic.

        The Steam Deck has helped push it even further, at this point I don’t really check if games run on Linux, I assume they do and 95% of the time I’m right.

        The few games that flat out don’t run because of Anti-Cheat, I either wait until they are eventually supported, (Dead by Daylight, cough) or I just give them up. It isn’t worth it to me to sacrifice my freedom, privacy, and consumer rights just to play a certain video game when there are literally 10’s of thousands of games out there that I could play that run perfectly fine on Linux.

      • @Smallletter@lemmy.world
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        410 months ago

        Are you saying the video game complaint isn’t real? You have a solution? 90% of my personal PC use is gaming, otherwise anything I used to use my PC for is done with my phone.

        Until Linux can support my entire steam library, I don’t see why I’d bother.

      • @desconectado@lemm.ee
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        310 months ago

        I wish that was the only thing. I work in science/engineering and lots of software that control equipment are only windows.

        There are options like using virtual machines, but it’s way to cumbersome and prone to errors, you don’t want a measurement that took half a day get ruined because of a stupid communication error.

    • stankmut
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      810 months ago

      They aren’t trying to move to be completely cloud based. That was a bad headline that misconstrued what they were actually doing. The article actually just talked about how they wanted Windows to be fully streamable from the cloud as an option.

      • @Grimpen@lemmy.ca
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        310 months ago

        That’s exactly how Office365/Microsoft365 got it’s start. Now, instead of buying a copy of Office, you subscribe to Microsoft365.

        I’m assuming that the path from cloud as an option to subscription based OS will be a little faster. To be fair, I wouldn’t be surprised if the stripped down locally installed version is offered as a Freemium option. Air-gapped and non-online computers usually just do one thing anyways. Most aren’t being used to watch movies, buy stuff, etc.

        My prediction would be that within 5 years, probably sooner, if you don’t subscribe to your cloud-based Microsoft Windows OS, you’ll have a bare-bones experience. Good enough for kiosks and such.

        Granted, you are correct, the article passed around only talks about how it’s an option right now, with some benefits… but we’ve all seen Microsoft do this exact same play before.

    • @DV8@lemmy.world
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      310 months ago

      For a business a cloud based OS would be far easier to be honest. It’s just an iteration on remote desktop services, with better latency and better protection of the business because of tools like this. I don’t think this should exist without consent on your private OS, but I can stand with not having to tell the new guy again that he can’t torrent on company property.

  • @const_void@lemmy.ml
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    7010 months ago

    Microsoft can’t be bothered to make a single, unified control panel but they have resources to work on shit like this.

    • @FeatherConstrictor@sh.itjust.works
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      1310 months ago

      I’m primarily a PC gamers and so many games would not be accessible to me if I made the switch to Linux, not to mention quote a few programs I use for my job. I tried to make the switch a few times and was not able to because of this.

      • @scutiger@lemmy.world
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        910 months ago

        If the games you play are competitive ones, sure. Only because the devs or publishers actively choose to exclude linux. So far, I’ve yet to try a game that hasn’t worked on linux.

        What are programs that you use for work that don’t have linux equivalents or are incompatible? I’ve made the full switch, but if I really need to, I can remote into a Windows work computer for specific things like SAP access.

        • @Spendies@lemmy.world
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          110 months ago

          There’s still a lot of games that don’t work in linux due to antcheat not working. A lot of the big online competitive games don’t work.

  • ElephantInTheRoom
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    4410 months ago

    Meh… just another reason added to a looong list about why I never looked back after switching to Linux, back when Vista was introduced.

    • @Yhmg@lemmy.world
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      110 months ago

      F’s out for me and any other music producers. It’s like trying to game on Linux 15 years ago. You can do it in theory but when it’s your job it just isn’t there yet and I can’t imagine it ever will be

      • ElephantInTheRoom
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        210 months ago

        Pretty sure it’s possible or there are other options. But you’d probably had to invest a lot of work and time to make it work.

        For most people it isn’t worth the effort, which I understand.

        • @Yhmg@lemmy.world
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          110 months ago

          More than effort, I think the issue is that you have to be willing to make pretty big compromises in your tools and workflow, which is incompatible with a lot of creative persuits. I’m no Linux doubter/hater but even after conceding my DAW and half my plugins it still wasn’t up to scratch. Maybe one day!

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    I remember a similar scare when Vista was coming out, and then nothing happened. Probably the tech wasn’t ready then and now it is, that’s why is so encouraging so see big progress in Linux gaming, just in case.

    Edit: found a source for the Vista thing https://www.forbes.com/2007/02/10/microsoft-vista-drm-tech-security-cz_bs_0212vista.html?sh=38c0bc9e175e

    And yes, we know the picture is fake, but the Pluton platform is real and the nefarious intentions can always be counted on.

  • @littlecolt@lemm.ee
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    4310 months ago

    I switched to pop os recently and I’m never going back to Windows. It’s easier now than ever to switch to Linux, even for gamers. Steam, proton, and wine have made running your Windows apps and games in Linux so easy. You’d have to have a very specific use case to justify staying with Windows now.

    Here’s a fun one: I own two video capture devices, an Elgato HD 60 S and an Avermedia LiveGamer Portable 2. Both do not work in Linux. I found a simple USB HDMI capture device that works in Linux and cost a fraction of what thosmother overhyped ones cost me. It works way better than they ever did. That was one of my last adjustments. I can still stream my Switch and PS5 on Twitch, no problem.

    That’s a pretty niche use case and it was easy.

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      A good portion of popular multiplayer games doesn’t work on Linux due to anticheat issues (R6S, Valorant, PUBG, Fortnite, CODs, BF2042, Destiny 2, Rust, Escape from Tarkov etc) so it’s not as easy to switch to Linux just yet if you play any of those games. Not to mention lack of support from industry standard software such as Adobe etc.

        • @newguy208@lemmy.world
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          910 months ago

          Look at this person with their 46gb ram and highest end graphics card and processor capable of running VMs and games smoothly.

          • @FiftyShadesOfMyCow@lemmy.world
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            710 months ago

            All earned with hard work, my brother. Trust me, man, complete whatever college or school things you have left, and after you’re set, treat yourself.

            Pro tip though: Hold off on getting kids or building family. Give yourself some time to relax and enjoy life for a decade or so and go absolutely ham!

          • @Superperspective@feddit.it
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            410 months ago

            VMs aren’t remotely that expensive to run. You basically just need hardware that supports virtualisation and GPU passthrough. The virtual totality of the servers you interact with on the internet are VMs.

    • @peeBox@lemmy.ca
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      510 months ago

      Could you tell us exactly which simple USB HDMI capture device you found that works well in Linux?

      I’ve been looking for one myself.

      • @littlecolt@lemm.ee
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        110 months ago

        No problem! This one right here: https://a.co/d/5o60f87

        I must admit, it’s a little weird that it connects with a USB A to USB A cable, but it works great. Takes 4K input, has pass thru, ouputs 1080p 60 fps to OBS, no driver was needed. Just worked. Be sure to set it up in OBS to use YUY12 color space (emulated) and make sure your consoles have RGB range set to “limited” as this little guy doesn’t play well with expanded/full. Don’t worry, the image quality is still great. I streamed FFXIV and Zelda with it recently. Look at twitch.tv/littlecolt for my recent streams, they are all on this thing.

  • @amygeek@reddthat.com
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    4110 months ago

    If you click on “More info” you have the option to run it. You’ll see a message indicating there’s risk involved in doing so.

  • Uriel-238
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    3910 months ago

    Yes. In order to run pirated content I had to run through a couple of hours of troubleshooting to disable the Microsoft anti-malware software, which would quarrantine and refuse to restore software without consent.

    Pluton is a new name and may be Windows 11. Hopefully you can uninstall it with a third-party utility (windows utilities won’t let you, and doing it by hand involves mucking around with the registry.l

    I’m going to make the switch to Linux once I can brave it because Windows is malware and spyware and getting worse with each iteration.

      • @InternetUser2012@rammy.site
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        610 months ago

        It really is. I’ve tried yearly and always have to go back to windows. Three months ago I tried again and I love it. Everything works, gaming is great, I’m over windows finally.

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        210 months ago

        I still struggle making some games work, but it’s definitely close to perfection. Steam games are almost always flawless now.

        Craziest thing is how bloated windows is. I dual boot and when I come back to Linux I always realize how much abuse I’m willing to take when using Windows.

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    3810 months ago

    20 years ago it was called TCP/Palladium and everyone was afraid this might happen. That was one of the reasons Microsoft implemented TPM chips.

    Obviously everyone forget about it until now. Happy new times where Microsoft can dictate which files your, sorry, their computer is allowed to open.

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    Holy crap. If this is real, this is gotta be the most dystopian thing I’ve seen so far. Time to switch OS and never look back.

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        210 months ago

        Way more likely “rip” or “HDrip” instead of XviD, which is (or used to be) a super common video codec. Like X264 today.