I do think that people should be held accountable for their actions and that you can+should call them out on their misbehavior.
On the other hand, calling someone things like “(greedy) little Pigboy” is not really that.
I have two reasons why namecalling like this can be a problem:
It’s difficult to come back from there. Imagine (hypothetically) that you’re mistaken, and it turns out that the other person did nothing wrong.
Or maybe the person also acted in good faith and regrets it after having learned about how their behaviour was harmful.
But you’ve lashed out and actively offended person on purpose.
It is now much more difficult to consolidate with that person. On platforms such as this, this might put a rift between the person and the whole community.
From what I’ve heard, online hate trains can be very overwhelming and some people will always go too far, e.g. sending death threats (I’m not even kidding). By collectively jumping on the train, the issue probably gets worse.
I absolutely agree with #2. Public shaming is necessary but death threats are counter-productive and only serve to make the problem more muddied and unsolvable as it will push the offender further into thinking they were right in the first place.
As for #1, my main disagreement is that future regret is simply not enough. Christianity and its offshoot, Western secularism, teaches that if we just feel bad and say sorry then all is forgiven. I’m not from the US but I have seen American politicians do something wrong, apologize, and then ask everyone to move on, and people actually move on. That just means that person has free reign to do whatever they want knowing they will never face any real consequences. When one commits a wrong against their community, in my religion, they have to actively make up for it and make the community better than it was before they had done wrong. I don’t like to use money as a solution for any wrongdoing, but as an extremely simple example, if someone stole €1000 from me, they would need to pay back €2000 and make the entire thing very public. It obviously gets waaaaaaay more complicated the more complex the crime (rape, murder, etc.). It is up to the victim and their family to decide on a proper way forward, but it shouldn’t be seen as a punishment but rather a way to improve the community (so sometimes exile or banishment from the community is the only recourse).
Now in this situation I didn’t even think about the pigboy part, just the greedy part. He should definitely be called out for being greedy because it is very obvious that’s what he’s being. But yeah the pigboy part is just childish name-calling that diminishes our arguments. Furthermore pigs are intelligent and noble and don’t deserve to be used as part of an insult.
Huh, that’s interesting. Which religion is that?
I do think that people should be held accountable for their actions and that you can+should call them out on their misbehavior. On the other hand, calling someone things like “(greedy) little Pigboy” is not really that. I have two reasons why namecalling like this can be a problem:
It’s difficult to come back from there. Imagine (hypothetically) that you’re mistaken, and it turns out that the other person did nothing wrong. Or maybe the person also acted in good faith and regrets it after having learned about how their behaviour was harmful. But you’ve lashed out and actively offended person on purpose. It is now much more difficult to consolidate with that person. On platforms such as this, this might put a rift between the person and the whole community.
From what I’ve heard, online hate trains can be very overwhelming and some people will always go too far, e.g. sending death threats (I’m not even kidding). By collectively jumping on the train, the issue probably gets worse.
What do you think?
I absolutely agree with #2. Public shaming is necessary but death threats are counter-productive and only serve to make the problem more muddied and unsolvable as it will push the offender further into thinking they were right in the first place.
As for #1, my main disagreement is that future regret is simply not enough. Christianity and its offshoot, Western secularism, teaches that if we just feel bad and say sorry then all is forgiven. I’m not from the US but I have seen American politicians do something wrong, apologize, and then ask everyone to move on, and people actually move on. That just means that person has free reign to do whatever they want knowing they will never face any real consequences. When one commits a wrong against their community, in my religion, they have to actively make up for it and make the community better than it was before they had done wrong. I don’t like to use money as a solution for any wrongdoing, but as an extremely simple example, if someone stole €1000 from me, they would need to pay back €2000 and make the entire thing very public. It obviously gets waaaaaaay more complicated the more complex the crime (rape, murder, etc.). It is up to the victim and their family to decide on a proper way forward, but it shouldn’t be seen as a punishment but rather a way to improve the community (so sometimes exile or banishment from the community is the only recourse).
Now in this situation I didn’t even think about the pigboy part, just the greedy part. He should definitely be called out for being greedy because it is very obvious that’s what he’s being. But yeah the pigboy part is just childish name-calling that diminishes our arguments. Furthermore pigs are intelligent and noble and don’t deserve to be used as part of an insult.
My religion is Forn Sidr.