If you want “quality discussion”, why are you on here and not Tildes? Tildes’ whole purpose is quality discussion. Shouldn’t you go for the place where that’s being optimized for?

So now, not only are you upset that folks who want quality discussion don’t want meta here, because you really badly want to be able to communicate with meta users from the fediverse while giving nothing up, you are also saying that anyone who wants quality discussion should just go elsewhere.

With no malice intended, we seem to be very thoroughly talking past each other, I’m not going to worry about the rest of your points because I don’t think there’s going to be much common ground that we discover we have to build on.