People who tell me the anti-trans anti-POC laws in my state are good actually because the majority support them. People who treat people as pawns in an electoral campaign.
So tired of people like that.
Update: Examples found within the thread! I don’t even need to link to examples of this happening. They’re right here!
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so tired of people setting up strawman arguments so they can finally win a debate.
meanwhile libs are voting for trans rights, voting for POC to actually represent them in the house and senate, voting for women who have brains (porter, warren, aoc) instead of tokens and bimbos. tyranny of majority? get fucked with that ignorant bullshit take. same as conservatives huh? same as the conservatives invading uteruses in Texas, Louisiana, trying it in Ohio and Michigan, oh yeah it’s the same when liberals FORCED THAT WOMAN IN TEXAS TO CARRY HER DEAD BABY, oh no, wait, that wasn’t liberals.
what a stupid fucking take on the world.
Oh, please. One of the first things Biden did was open more concentration camps. He’s continued Trump’s wall (guess it’s Biden’s wall now). Millions of people die due to lack of healthcare access, and all liberals have is Obamacare 2.0, a slap in the face.
Sure, they’re not as bad as Republicans, but that’s a dismally low bar. They’re still complicit in fascism and genocide. They’re still defending capitalism.
Want to talk about strawman? Let’s talk about how every time someone mentions these things, Libs deflect with wild unfounded accusations of supporting Trump.
American liberals are only marginally better than Republicans. And if you’re in one of those camps, they’re no better at all.
Edit: I actually thought this was a different thread. I’ll still leave it though because it’s all accurate.
This is the kind of shit I’m talking about. By this logic, the anti-trans anti-POC laws in my state are alright, according to liberals. I’ve heard the same thing from them about the border camps and wall - “Biden has no choice!” Bullshit.
One of the first things Biden did was open more concentration camps.
uh huh. gassed millions I’m sure.
American liberals are only marginally better than Republicans. And if you’re in one of those camps, they’re no better at all.
mmm yeah tell me how all the women on the left don’t mean anything you sexist racist garbage. tell me how one party embracing actual minority participation is the real racism.
quack quack quack quack the libs are almost as bad as the LITERAL FASCISTS.
Get a sense of reality or get fucked.
He was compelled by law to continue the wall. He did so as minimally and I would argue, as sarcastically as possible, within the bounds he had, but go off, presidents are kings and can do anything they want.
Is Biden perfect? Gawd no. Is Biden significantly better than any Dem president in my lifetime? Sure is. But he isn’t perfect, so let’s make things worse.
He was compelled by law to continue the wall
…because “he was just following the law” and “he was just following orders” famously excuse human rights abuses and other atrocities
Oh fuck off. You’d rather have a president who ignores the law? That’s called a dictator.
There it is! Everyone get in here!
This is EXACTLY what my post is about!
We’ve got:
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Deflecting with “you’d rather have a dictator/Trump” – that famous wild unfounded accusation
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Can only conceive of either tyranny of the majority or authoritarianism
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Hand-waving / downplaying human rights abuses
B I N G O!
I’m going to leave this here for you, because this user addresses this better than I can. (Not sure how to do proper links here, but you should still be able to read the comment.)
As that user said, even following the principles of our current republic, this doesn’t excuse something like anti-trans laws or border camps.
And when it comes to leftist ideologies (this is a leftist community, after all, not a capitalist one), there are also other even more democratic and equitable options.
Here’s some advice: Instead of trying to start an argument with anonymous strangers in some tiny hidden corner of the internet, go out into the real world and get involved with a group where your actions actually make a difference.
Become a member of a party of your choice, a group of communist conspirators, Antifa, a hippie commune, doctors without borders, or whatever you want. Shape and improve your corner of the world and discuss politics with people around you.
In here, you’re just shouting into a void. I’m not gonna click on any of your links and will have forgotten your comment in about 10 minutes.I’m very involved in my community. I sit on two city committees, I meet at least twice a year with my city council rep and email her in between, I vote in every election, I attend rallies and events like Pride and BLM whenever my schedule permits, I work for a charitable non-profit that helps people (don’t want to get too specific because doxxing), and I’ve considered running for local office before deciding my schedule just doesn’t allow it.
I’m also fairly poor, but I still donate monthly to Lakota People’s Law Project and Minnesota Freedom Fund.
And even online, I try to discuss real problems and don’t straight up lead with telling people to fuck off. I also don’t make excuses for fascist institutions such as ICE with their border camps. I point out the troubling things Biden is doing because we need to find a way to stop these things by any means necessary.
So I do agree with your advice, but it’s not a zero sum game. I can do all these things and also be online. I feel like you’re just saying this as a silencing tactic and deflection.
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trump literally put kids in cages and you’re whining like a little baby about some fucking rando? wait was that president biden messaging you?
no?
just some deranged nutbag you spoke to on the internet and made into a liberal strawman huh?
boy your headcanon must be fucking hilarious
good point. biden is hitler. better vote trump instead. /s
You are literally the person this post is about.
Our system has underpinning it unalienable rights that are enshrined in our Constitution that no law approved by the majority are allowed to remove (Article VI, Section 2 US Constitution). And all States are bound to uphold this aspect of the Constitution in the due course of the Law (14th amendment, Section 1).
So there can be things that the majority support but can never be enforced because the Constitution overrides that as a right granted to all people and is irrevocable in nature without obtaining the bar set forth in amending the US Constitution. That’s why fundamental rights are incredibly important, because there does exist times when the majority subjugates some minority and that goes contrary to pretty much the charter of the United States.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
(US Declaration of Independence)
In this they are indicating that by the nature of existence (and in this case they indicate that is endowed to them via a Creator) that there exists things that no Government, no entity, not anything can remove from the people and then give three examples of those things. The second part indicates that it is the charter of Government to secure those rights, to fight things that may seek out to remove them from the people. And that the power that Government gets to do that thing is derived from the people. Because remember, up to this point (minus the French Revolution), Governments had power because “God” said so. In this case, a person has power not because of “God” but because of people. This is a big difference in how Governments get ran now. The one in charge is held to account not by “God” but by the people.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
(US Declaration of Independence)
And this is one of those things that’s really shows how well the people who wrote these documents understood mankind. Basically this statement is saying “people don’t just overthrow their governments on a whim”. But deeper it is saying, people are such that they adjust to suffering and being denied basic human rights because they are comfortable with the suffering they receive. And while this is a good point to overthrow the government, it’s also an important highlight that any government wishing to endure, enshrine rights that preempt that suffering.
And there’s so much more the people who created this nation had to say about all of this, but it boils down to, there has to be some line in the sand that no matter if 100% of the people support it, we just cannot cross it without a monumental effort to do so. That sometimes, the majority is very wrong and they need something to stop them and have them seriously think about the consequences of what they are asking.
People who say this kind of nonsense about “the majority support them” are the same folks who have zero clues about civics and the nation that they live in.
Thank you! I’ve been rapidly losing faith in people lately. My dad taught social studies, and this is exactly the same things he would say. Seems we’ve lost sight of this somewhere along the way.
Might I add that it is so important that we not treat any person, including the president, as if they are beyond reproach. I find this trend of deflecting any criticism of one president with wild unfounded accusations of supporting an even worse candidate to be extremely troubling and, quite frankly, anti-democratic. I wish I could persuade more people to support equity and oppose systemic oppression, but it’s frustrating when the very people who proclaim to care refuse to engage in good faith.
99% of people who attack Biden are doing so to defend Trump. That’s just how the discourse is.
False. Provide evidence before you make such a claim. This is a lie used to silence progressives, leftists, and post-leftists, because what we say makes you uncomfortable.
Some people in this thread make me wonder how centrists and status quo defenders manage to find their way into a leftist meme forum 😂
I’m confused, are you claiming the US is a tyranny of the majority or authoritarian? Or are you saying there are tyrannies of the majority in some state or local governments?
Nationally, we’re definitely neither of those things. The presidency is determined by a minority because of the electoral college. In 2020 it was just a happy coincidence that it also lined up with the popular vote.
All through 2021 and 2022 the desires of the majority were stifled by the Senate because of the minority rule that’s enforced there by the 2 senators per state part of the Constitution.
Looking at the House, it’s minority rule there, too. Thanks to gerrymandering by state legislatures, a lot of Republican representatives are representing 60/40 districts and a lot of Democrats are representing 90/10 districts. You can see it by adding up the total votes by party. The Democrats would have a significant majority if seats were apportioned by the popular vote.
Now maybe it’s the case in some states and counties and cities that you have tyranny of the majority. That definitely sucks if they’re being abusive. But it’s not the only alternative to authoritarianism.
But it’s not the only alternative to authoritarianism
Tell that to the people this post is about. Also, as you have mentioned, the current system allows this. The majority of people could support ICE, and it would still be inequitable and oppressive. The majority may oppose returning land to tribal control, but it is still colonization and genocide.
Only ideologies like Anarchism preclude this, since they by definition oppose such hierarchies and don’t rely on a glacially slow system that winks while people suffer.
It doesn’t matter what the majority want. Often, the majority want to harm other people. If you don’t believe me, then you haven’t heard from enough American liberals who will make batshit claims such as this being the best system in the world or that they “have no other choice” but to force oppression and genocide as long as it’s sanctioned by the law.
Clearly, this is not a good system. Never has been.
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If the majority supports trans genocide it’s impossible to stop trans genocide. If the majority is indifferent but willing, you can delay it but not forever. Only way to really win anything is to get the majority on your side, or your-side-leaning indifferent.
Wrong on all accounts. It is the hierarchical system and the state that exacerbate bigotry.
There’s also constitutional democracy.
