Killing people who are cowering in fear is not a good look. Maybe it has to be done, surrender isn’t possible, idk. But Posting the video is not going to make the attackers look like the good guys.
I agree with you and agree that, sadly, this is what war looks like. But you’re wrong on one point: the Russian soldiers don’t have a choice. Their government is at fault. Yes, it has to be done. Yes, they killed many Ukrainian civilians. But they were conscripted and given the option to fight, or face capital charges (which likely means death). Did this soldier personally deserve it? Maybe, maybe not. But it had to be done.
I agree. It’s shit and I’ve become desensitized to things like this.
But they do have a choice, and that is one of surrender.
If this soldier had put up a white flag, he would be alive today. Instead he chose to eat a grenade.
I have a hard time coming to terms psychologically with the latter part of your post, personally, about whether this particular soldier deserved what happened. As a human being, of course not, all should have the opportunity to be free and flourish. But as an extension of his government’s warpath lunacy, yes, he did.
At the end of the day, the ultimate blame, and the person for whom these poor people are dying, falls to Putin, but the choice is ultimately still up to the individual soldier: surrender, leave, or die.
People keep pretending like the Russian government is completely separate from Russians. Somehow they’ve just always managed to end up with incredibly brutal and violent governments over the past few hundred years, but the poor poor little Russians are never at fault for that.
The thing is, eroupe still get energy from Russia. Which means Eroupe is complicit. Along with companies that sells electronics and other equipment needed to create and launch missile. These electronics and other military resources comes from deals with China.
Nato and Eroupe and many other countries deal with China which basically support Russia directly.
So where do you draw the line of separation between miltant government and civilians.
It is entirely Russia fault. Russia is purposeful using the meat wave tactic. Ukraine has no other choice than killing all Russian on its territory, or cease to exist. I fully support the first.
Russian soldiers can die in Ukraine, or fight for themselves in Russia. No one can help them but themselves. They had a opportunity when wagner made a move. They didn’t take it.
Don’t mistaken me: these deaths are horrible. I don’t watch these videos because of how horrible it is. But this is war. Russia is doing the same, but they don’t have any good reason to do it.
Sorry, but they really do have a choice. They could choose to face those capital charges, and risk dying without killing others first. They could choose to attempt to surrender or desert, and risk being killed without causing harm to others. They could choose to turn their guns on their conscription officer, or other commanders (as some have done) and likely die while fighting to protect others.
They made a choice to risk their life in an attempt to kill innocents. They could have chosen to risk it while protecting them.
Russian bastards who shot captured Ukrainian soldiers lived less than half an hour after their crime. Soldiers of the Armed Forces avenged their brothers. The bodies of the vilely killed Ukrainian soldiers were evacuated and handed over to their relatives for burial. The soldiers of the 82nd separate amphibious assault brigade turned out to be dead.
Or it’s a Ukrainian POW or citizen from occupied territory that just got blown up. Hopefully not and these things can be verified before pulling the trigger somehow.
If they were Ukrainian citizens, then surely they would immediately surrender to their armed forces so they can be debriefed and go home to their families and/or fight for their own country?
It’s sad, but these people are in someone else’s home with the intent to kill. What else are they supposed to do? Ask them nicely to leave? They already did
Killing people who are cowering in fear is not a good look. Maybe it has to be done, surrender isn’t possible, idk. But Posting the video is not going to make the attackers look like the good guys.
Maybe then they should fuck off back home to Russia and it wouldn’t be a problem.
Surrender, leave, or die.
I agree with you and agree that, sadly, this is what war looks like. But you’re wrong on one point: the Russian soldiers don’t have a choice. Their government is at fault. Yes, it has to be done. Yes, they killed many Ukrainian civilians. But they were conscripted and given the option to fight, or face capital charges (which likely means death). Did this soldier personally deserve it? Maybe, maybe not. But it had to be done.
I agree. It’s shit and I’ve become desensitized to things like this.
But they do have a choice, and that is one of surrender. If this soldier had put up a white flag, he would be alive today. Instead he chose to eat a grenade.
I have a hard time coming to terms psychologically with the latter part of your post, personally, about whether this particular soldier deserved what happened. As a human being, of course not, all should have the opportunity to be free and flourish. But as an extension of his government’s warpath lunacy, yes, he did.
At the end of the day, the ultimate blame, and the person for whom these poor people are dying, falls to Putin, but the choice is ultimately still up to the individual soldier: surrender, leave, or die.
People keep pretending like the Russian government is completely separate from Russians. Somehow they’ve just always managed to end up with incredibly brutal and violent governments over the past few hundred years, but the poor poor little Russians are never at fault for that.
Fuck them, and fuck that attitude.
Are you talking about civilians or militants?
If you talking about civilians, the problem with your logic is that everyone is complicit some way or another.
They are complicit, just like Germans were before WW II.
The thing is, eroupe still get energy from Russia. Which means Eroupe is complicit. Along with companies that sells electronics and other equipment needed to create and launch missile. These electronics and other military resources comes from deals with China.
Nato and Eroupe and many other countries deal with China which basically support Russia directly.
So where do you draw the line of separation between miltant government and civilians.
It is entirely Russia fault. Russia is purposeful using the meat wave tactic. Ukraine has no other choice than killing all Russian on its territory, or cease to exist. I fully support the first.
Russian soldiers can die in Ukraine, or fight for themselves in Russia. No one can help them but themselves. They had a opportunity when wagner made a move. They didn’t take it.
Don’t mistaken me: these deaths are horrible. I don’t watch these videos because of how horrible it is. But this is war. Russia is doing the same, but they don’t have any good reason to do it.
So they should kill their authorities who send them to another country to kill, rape, and torture civilians.
Sorry, but they really do have a choice. They could choose to face those capital charges, and risk dying without killing others first. They could choose to attempt to surrender or desert, and risk being killed without causing harm to others. They could choose to turn their guns on their conscription officer, or other commanders (as some have done) and likely die while fighting to protect others.
They made a choice to risk their life in an attempt to kill innocents. They could have chosen to risk it while protecting them.
Pretty sure this specific group was filmed executing POWs.
Fuck those Russian bastards.
https://sopuli.xyz/post/7393530
I understand your point, but they are showing no mercy and they did sign up for exactly this.
Or it’s a Ukrainian POW or citizen from occupied territory that just got blown up. Hopefully not and these things can be verified before pulling the trigger somehow.
If they were Ukrainian citizens, then surely they would immediately surrender to their armed forces so they can be debriefed and go home to their families and/or fight for their own country?
I hope so
How can they be verified?
I don’t know, I just pray I’m wrong
It’s not a good look. It’s war. War is as ugly as human behavior gets.
It’s sad, but these people are in someone else’s home with the intent to kill. What else are they supposed to do? Ask them nicely to leave? They already did