‘Screams Without Words’: How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7
www.nytimes.com
A Times investigation uncovered new details showing a pattern of rape, mutilation and extreme brutality against women in the attacks on Israel.

A Times investigation uncovered new details showing a pattern of rape, mutilation and extreme brutality against women in the attacks on Israel.

  • atx_aquarian@lemmy.worldEnglish
    43·
    1 year ago

    I don’t see how anyone who’s paying attention to anything still believes in a god worth worshipping, if any god at all.

      • PrefersAwkward@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        1 year ago

        They didn’t say they’d like for life be without a worship-worthy god. They said they’re not sure why so many people think that there’s a god worth worshipping.

        By itself, their comment is really just statement of belief, not a statement of preference.

        I think this is their reasoning for that position: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

        For a more detailed explanation of the reasoning: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

        • Copernican@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          There was also a comment “if any god at all.” I am very familiar with theodicy questioms and euthyphro questions. And it’s not a new concept that end times mentality or need for salvation in dire times actually can push some people to religion.

          • PrefersAwkward@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6·
            1 year ago

            “If any god at all” in that context implies the person has doubt in the existence of any god. This again is not a statement of preference. One can be an atheist and happy with their beliefs or unhappy with them.

            I just don’t see anywhere that the person said they’d like for things to be that way. They could easily be very unhappy at a disbelief in a god for all we know.

            Said another way: just because I don’t believe I’ll ever be a millionaire doesn’t mean I’d prefer never to be one.

            EDIT: I want to acknowledge that many people get strength and relief from their faiths and beliefs. And I would like to acknowledge that people’s happiness and comfort in a difficult world is a very good thing.

            • Copernican@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
              2·
              1 year ago

              I don’t think we are in disagreement. Just misunderstanding what specifically I was responding to. Also, my account or description isn’t a justification for this type of belief. But the reality is some people do become more religious in times of struggle. Not sure why I’m being downvoted for that.

              • PrefersAwkward@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                1 year ago

                I now realize I completely misread your original statement. In light of that, my previous replies don’t make any sense. I actually agree with what you said, I think I just didn’t comprehend it the way it was intended.

                I think I’ve read somewhere that strife increases religiosity. I’d say it’s a very defensible stance. I think it’s also defensible that the religiosity sadly causes strife, too. The world would be better off if certain common religious ideas would be abandoned.

  • Altofaltception@lemmy.worldEnglish
    34·
    1 year ago

    Friendly reminder that Israel weaponized sexual violence long before even Hamas was a thing, let alone Oct 7.

    Everything that Hamas did on Oct 7, Israel has already done to the Palestinian people.

    • DoomBot5@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      1 year ago

      Friendly reminder, don’t believe people posting random shit without evidence. So your own research and fact check the sources for bias.

      Often times you’ll find people like the above that just want you to support terrorists by attempting to invalidate human suffering with lies.

      • Quokka@quokk.auEnglish
        14·
        1 year ago

        Friendly reminder, this genocide has shown the world how Israel operates.

        Often times you’ll find people like the above defending genocidal colonist states by attempting to invalidate human suffering with lies.

        Like for instance the above user posts nothing but pro-Israel comments. Such an inauthentic account is designed to manipulate you.

        • voxelastronaut@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          I mean Israel itself has admitted to pouring funds into having internet warriors spread propaganda and negatively target anything that challenges their narrative. A better use of time would be to continue spreading the information they’re trying to suppress and spread them thin.

    • Copernican@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      14·
      1 year ago

      Cool. Source? Also this is a news article about a specific event. That’s why they are describing and framing the article of how Hamas did it on that day.

    • quindraco@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Friendly reminder your friendly reminder has no observable purpose beyond whataboutism.

  • IzzyScissor@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21·
    1 year ago

    I’m sorry, is this supposed to make us OK with Israel bombing hospitals because a rapist might be hiding there?

    Israel has been doing this shit for decades, and while this story is still horrific, it’s clearly designed for the reader to justify the violence against Hamas.

    Neither side is without blood on their hands, but the scope is drastically different.

    • Copernican@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      40·
      1 year ago

      I don’t understand why folks think that posting articles that document one side’s atrocities is implicitly advocating for or justifying the other side. That is just the scope of the article and we need accuracy to make sense of all the shit going on.

    • quindraco@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I’m sorry, is this supposed to make us OK with Israel bombing hospitals because a rapist might be hiding there?

      No. Please master basic literacy. Learning about evil things Hamas has done has no relation to trying to justify things Israel has done.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    The video was shot in the early hours of Oct. 8 by a woman searching for a missing friend at the site of the rave in southern Israel where, the day before, Hamas terrorists massacred hundreds of young Israelis.

    Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.

    And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.

    That same morning, along Route 232 but in a different location about a mile southwest of the party area, Raz Cohen — a young Israeli who had also attended the rave and had worked recently in the Democratic Republic of Congo training Congolese soldiers — said that he was hiding in a dried-up streambed.

    Jamal Waraki, a volunteer medic with the nonprofit ZAKA emergency response team, said he could not get out of his head a young woman in a rawhide vest found between the main stage and the bar.

    Yinon Rivlin, a member of the rave’s production team who lost two brothers in the attacks, said that after hiding from the killers, he emerged from a ditch and made his way to the parking area, east of the party, along Route 232, looking for survivors.

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