• grumpycactus@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    I think the people fighting those issues “on the margins” are likely accomplishing more on the issues you claim are important too though? It’s not either or. You don’t have to choose to only care about one thing.

    The conspiracy part of my mind thinks people saying things like you’re saying just don’t like trans people, but ultimately don’t really care about Palestinian children or climate change either. I’ll take people that actually fight for something.

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      It’s not either or. You don’t have to choose to only care about one thing.

      On a personal level, absolutely.

      But, we just, and probably permanently lost a huge swathe of the Amazon in part because Bolsonaro won votes on a vague anti woke platform.

      The American public iirc, disagrees with the Republican party on most major issues like climate change, gun safety and healthcare. But, children are still shot in schools because Republicans don’t need to campaign on issues, they campaign on being anti woke.

      I don’t have a solution. I don’t think we can or should stop talking about marginalized groups. But, the fact is that social justice is also enabling things that have and will have increasingly devastating effects on the most vulnerable people on Earth.

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        Oh please. Allowing fascists to terrorize queer people and ban books about slavery isn’t going to save the Palestinian children. Who are you? I feel pretty confident that if someone wanted to examine your life for five seconds we could see how you bathe daily in the blood of innocent children. Let’s start with whatever device you’re posting on and the energy that powers it. Let’s clean up your life before we consider throwing trans people to the wolves. I’m sure you will gladly sacrifice yourself for the cause.

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          11 months ago

          Instead of leaping to what aboutism, look at what I wrote and tell me what part is incorrect!

          Republicans don’t run on issues, they run and WIN on being anti woke. As are many other leaders who have reprehensible and deeply unpopular views, Bolsonaro, Mielei, la Pen, trump and all the would be Republicans etc.

          Like I said, I don’t have a solution but the fact is that the ones destroying the world are doing so by running in opposition to social justice despite having massively unpopular positions on issues. It’s upsetting but also the truth.

          But, if you really want to compare, okay. I’m imperfect but do my best; my device is refurbished, my furniture is almost all second hand (except a chair and my mattress), my clothes are almost all second hand or sweat free (I couldn’t find ethical jersies for my team or camping fleece), I haven’t had a microwave for almost a month because I’ve been trying to find one second hand, while I do eat meat it’s almost never beef and despite working out and eating a boatload of protein try to make as many veggie meals as I can. Despite making an upper middle class living for most of the last decade I’ve been car free until last year (I didn’t want to get covid on the ski bus with a bunch of kids again.) Hell, even my cat is second hand. My biggest sins (I think) are probably my tv and speaker as I haven’t found ethical/second hand versions. How about you?

          Edit: Oh right, I also take a significant pay cut to work at a non profit so that more marginalized youth can go to University as so believe that’s the best anti poverty engine around.

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              It seems you are fundamentally misunderstanding. I’ll try in a few bullet points, that might make it easier for you.

              1. Social justice on social media is now the primary target for multiple successful right wing politicians. Earlier moments, like gay marriage, tended to be suplementary issues whereas now they are more or less the entire focus.

              2. In America at least, an overwhelming majority of people support climate change action, gun control, universal healthcare etc.

              3. Despite that broad support on most progressive issues, left wing politicians are losing winnable elections.

              4. The right wing policies that come about as a result of their successful anti woke campaigns have disastrous climate effects.

              5. Climate change will disproportionately affect the most vulnerable people on Earth.

              I hope that helps make things a bit more clear for you!

              Edit: Actually, your car comparison, while pretty unrelated to any point I’m making is kind of useful here. Much like cars, social justice comes with a cost. Insisting that there is no cost is just as silly as when climate change deniers argue that cars don’t have an impact or that we all need them anyway so what are we going to do etc. Social justice, while fun (who doesn’t love a chance to be snarky on the internet in defense of the oppressed without any work or sacrifice?!?) is coming at a cost which we refuse to acknowledge.