Donald Trump will be arraigned in federal court today, Miami braces for protest
- Court appearance takes place at 3 pm ET in Miami
- Expected to plead not guilty to 37 counts
- Will voluntarily turn himself in before that
- Will be fingerprinted digitally
- Mugshot will likely not made public
- Will not be handcuffed
Former president Donald Trump will be arraigned in Miami federal court Tuesday to face 37 counts connected to his keeping hundreds of classified documents at his Mar-A-Lago estate in Palm Beach after leaving the White House.
Trump has his first appearance scheduled for 3 p.m. Tuesday at the Wilkie D. Ferguson Jr. U.S. Courthouse in downtown Miami. Federal agents and police, media and crowds of supporters and detractors are expected to fill the streets around the courthouse.
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Times are Eastern Standard Time
12:52pm
Police motorcycle escort arriving at Doral.
https://twitter.com/KarliBonnita/status/1668659961801453569
1:33pm
Trump Motorcade heading to Miami Courthouse
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1668674339820953602
1:46pm
Trump posts to social media from motorcade
1:52pm
Trump arrives at Miami Courthouse
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1668678566731456512
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1668678847191982080
2:14pm
Donald Trump formally arrested on federal charges, will appear before a judge shortly
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1668683739180703745
3:00pm
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Trump now in federal court
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Special Counsel Jack Smith is in attendance
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Trump pleads “not guilty” to all 37 federal charges
3:15pm
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Trump has been released without any travel conditions, as he is reportedly not a flight risk per the judge.
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The judge said that former President Trump could have no contact with any witnesses in the case
3:55pm
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Trump motorcade leaves courthouse through crowded streets
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Protesters, one wearing a prisoner costume, jump in front of Trump’s motorcade as he leaves court
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1668710687915253760
4:15pm
Trump makes a stop at Cafe Versailles after leaving courthouse
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1668715242019340288
5:00pm
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Trump departs Miami airport for New Jersey
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will deliver speech at 8pm from Bedminster
I would love to see him in a regular prison like he deserves, but can a person with secret service protection even get anything worse than house arrest? I’ve been unable to find clarifying information on this.
What he deserves is to not have special treatment anymore, but who knows how it will happen
I would imagine convictions related to espionage would probably strip you of any secret service protection. People argue that it’s a former president’s right to have SS protection, but remember the SS hasn’t always been about protecting anyone, the used to only be counterfeit currency police
I think at this stage removing it would be equivalent to tattooing “assassinate me” on his forehead.
Look I hate the guy too and he doesn’t deserve his freedom, but there’s a large number of people in this world who would love to merc a former POTUS regardless of who that POTUS is or what they did. And frankly Trump is more dangerous as a martyr than he is alive and alone on house arrest for the rest of his life.
I think if it comes down to president going to jail the secret service benefit should be waived. It’s not that hard to keep the protection, just don’t commit crimes. We are living in a country that supposed to have one law that applies to everyone. Having people being treated differently, because of who they are is what Russia has.
Having people treated differently to achieve equal outcomes is what we strive for. When it’s shown that minorities are discriminated against in hiring, people suggest affirmative action to level the playing field. When somebody is asked to testify again dangerous people, they’re put in witness protection to be afforded the same security as any average citizen.
When somebody carries a unique cultural status, such that they would surely be killed if left to their own devices, that person is given protection to ensure that they live, and aren’t handed a death sentence without trial. That’s not what Russia does. Really, one could argue that “not letting a political figure get assassinated” is the exact opposite of what Russia does.
Presidents didn’t have lifetime secret service protection, and if I recall VP ended as soon as the term ended.
You have example of accommodations related to work, or when somebody testifies against dangerous criminal. I don’t recall we provide any assistance when somebody is going to jail to ensure equality. In fact the only thing we do makes things unequal.
Reality Winner was deemed a flight risk when she leaked a single document to newspaper. This guy was free to walk immediately after, didn’t even have to pay a bail.
As for risk of assassination. The secret service is provided by the government. So is jail. The government makes sure that convicts don’t escape but also controls who gets in. To protect inmate from others they can isolate them as well.
You can’t just plop a former president into gen pop.
How come? He is no longer a president. He also broke the law. It sounds like no laws should apply to him anymore.
Also, shouldn’t we also provide Secret Service for people like Pelosi or Schiff? They weren’t even indicted and there are people who want to murder them.
Yeah, ideal solution is that the SS detail remains intact and he just goes to jail and the SS just deals with it. I’ve heard that solitary is a good way to protect inmates when a substantial number of other inmates want to do them harm. Just sayin’
Solitary confinement is inhumane and should be illegal.
Also we’re kidding ourselves if we don’t think he’ll get put in the most safe, cushy prison imaginable (assuming he’s charged)
Well, the food is inhumane. Gen pop is definitely inhumane. Then again I would be terrified to be spanked or harassed and love isolation lol.
love isolation
Maybe you would, but for most people it’s been proven to cause lasting damage
Yeah people who say shit like that have never been to jail or prison. Cause you wouldn’t. Isolation is fantastic when you’re home and you can lounge and play video games. Not so great in a 6 ft box.
He is charged. I assume you mean convicted?
That was my thought too. Stick him in solitary for his “protection” with the secret service standing guard outside. He stays unharmed but still goes to prison.
You know he’s a narcissist. A narcissist needs to be the center of attention. Putting him in solitary would be a fate worst than death. It would be his own personal hell. 😂
How refreshing that this comment can be posted without immediately being taken down due to your quote.
One might even say it’s well regarded
I mean his following doesn’t have the best attention span they’ll just move on to the next guy. Just hope seeing this mega-criminal actually punished will discourage others from attempting the same power grab but who knows…
Thing is the next guy can’t actually invigorate them because it’s DeSantis. Or Ted Cruz, whom I suspect will actually end up with the nomination. DeSantis is a shitbag but he’s entirely lacking in the crowd pleasing department. MAGA diehards are all that’s left and they hate him already. Then there’s Cruz, who will be a direct opposite to that brand - trying to sell himself as a moderate. Real hard to get people excited about that, and they’ve spent a decade or more undercutting that exact platform.
The brand of ego maniac that creates a Trump isn’t common enough for Republicans to just spin up a new one. We’ve watched them try time and again the last 8 years and it’s laughable how badly it goes for them. I disdain Trump but I can recognize that aspect clearly. The guy was massively and mainstream popular for decades prior to his presidency across multiple, huge platforms. He was already a household name, no one had to ask who he was. That’s what it took.
Republicans know it too, it’s why they’ve still been backing him and not going on the direct offensive - yet.
He’d be very safe in ADX Florence. No need for Secret Service there.
someone with presidential-level knowledge and no protection would be a prime target for abduction. trump would dump everything he knew at the first mention of torture, or maybe if he was just slipped a $20.
If a former president loses their protection detail, they’re not walking around as a free man anymore.
From what I can gather, the Former Presidents Act mandates lifetime protection for all former presidents unless they were removed from office under Article II. So the only current way for Trump to lose Secret Service protection would be for him to decline it.
Or amendment of the act? Laws can and should change, that’s how government grows
I can’t imagine something like that passing through US Congress at this point, though. It will 100% be seen as an “attack on Republicans” by Trump’s allies.
An attempt to change the rules/laws to target a specific individual would rightly be seen as an attack on Trump/Republicans.
If the law was changed in such a way that it only ever applied to a specific person sure, but changing laws after someone does something is kind of the way things work. Somebody does a thing, everyone goes “I can’t believe they did that, there should be a law against it” and then a law gets passed or amended. Is that law targeting that specific person at that point? Kind of, in that the actions of that person prompted the change, but it would have been the same if a different person had done the same thing.
Well sure, but that doesn’t fit the victim narrative these people so love, you see.
Yeah was going to say targeting an individual is a probably a no no but targeting a criminal is something completely different should he be tried and found guilty.
Even if they did, wouldn’t that be ex post facto and not apply to TFG?
Ex post facto just means you can’t charge someone with a crime that wasn’t a crime at the time they committed it. It doesn’t mean that you can’t change someone’s benefits at will.
Yeah, Congress could always change the law, though I doubt the current one would. I’m just saying that there’s no current provision for revoking protection for a former president unless they were removed from office under Article II.
I believe they can also decline protection if they so choose although that’s not really relevant to your point.
Im now imagining Trump in the prison yard wearing an orange suit with suited up body guards. For real though, maybe they can just hire new security guards from the inmate population. Okay, for real for real, I have no clue what would actually happen lol
Me neither, I’ve been wondering this for years now. What does a trump arrest look like? We will have to see one to know.
The Secret Service being tasked with protection of president et al. is written into law, so it literally is their current right. The original purpose doesn’t really matter.
But obviously it should be stripped away for treason etc.
It truly baffles me how so many people can still support him when the evidence is overwhelming. Love is blind I guess (pretty sure anybody protesting for him would give him a BJ is trump asked 🤷).
Remember that they only get their information from pro-Trump sources. Imagine if you didn’t listen to anything but FOX News, OANN, Newsmax, and the like. All the “news sources” you listened to told you that this was a witch hunt and that anyone who disagreed was a traitor to this country.
You’d likely wind up shouting about Trump’s innocence and how this was all political retribution.
They’re wrong when they say this, of course, but the root cause is a refusal to listen to anyone who tells them a contrary position.
They would just have to listen to Trump. That is all it takes to figure out that he is a nut job.
My proposal has been house arrest at Mar-A-Lago with a twist:
First of all, no visitors. That includes no members allowed to come stay at Mar-A-Lago. Not even Trump’s family. Mar-A-Lago can refund any membership fees because Trump will be the only resident allowed besides Secret Service and security guards hired by the feds.
Secondly, Mar-A-Lago is taken over by the federal government. Trump could owe fines as well as prison time and this could help pay the US back. (This also means he can’t charge the Secret Service to stay in his club.)
Third, Trump’s movements are highly restricted. He’s confined to a small guest bedroom (not his normal one) for most of the day. He’s allowed out for meals and 1 hour of “exercise” a day. Obviously, smartphones/computers/social media are NOT allowed at all.
Finally, Mar-A-Lago gets a downgrade. Trump doesn’t get a cushy bed, but whatever a standard prison bed would be. He doesn’t get his normal meals, but whatever slop the prison food service cooks for him. I wouldn’t expect them to make his stay imprisoned at Mar-A-Lago into 100% the same as a federal prison, but they could get it as close as possible. (Keep any luxury for the guards and Secret Service. They’ll need to be dealing with Trump daily. They deserve some comfort.)
This reminds me of the scene from Narcos where Escobar is sitting in his “prison” with no one around.
Who knows what’ll actually happen but they could always segregate him with an SS detail in prison.
All I know is that if I were indicted with the same charges, I’d be sitting in prison awaiting trial
If any of us were indicted on even 1 of his 37 charges we would have been rotting in federal prison for the past 3 years
Trump keeps claiming that he’s being treated differently and he’s right, but not in the way he means it. He’s not being persecuted. He’s being treated with exceptionally soft kid gloves.
He was given multiple chances to return the stuff he took. He was asked politely before a subpoena was issued. He was given time between the subpoena and the raid to turn everything over. After the raid, he wasn’t immediately arrested and tossed behind bars. They even allowed him to come in and skip some procedures like being handcuffed and getting his mugshot taken.
He’s been given way more considerations than anyone else who committed even remotely the number of infractions that he committed would get.
If Trump wants to not get treated differently, I’m all for it. Arrest him and toss him in jail while he waits for his trial. As a bonus, suddenly his usual tactic of delay, delay, delay won’t be as attractive.
You probably wouldn’t even get that far honestly. Normal people don’t really have a chance in these sorts of cases.
You’re not the only one who thinks that
Obviously, it’s different because of who the defendant is. But I see it in kind of an opposite way: If Trump were anyone other than a former president, he would not have been given the luxury of a summons to appear in court. There would be a team of armed FBI agents outside his door at 6:30 in the morning, he would have been arrested and the government would be immediately moving to detain. So the idea that he’s being treated differently is true – but not from the way his supporters seem to be arguing.
It makes me sick seeing 10x the amount of cops as were present for Jan 6 there just to protect this fucking dipshit. There’s something really wrong about that.
They’re there to protect the courthouse from the same people who were at Jan 6.
They prevented the Capitol Police from getting sufficient number of people and equipment without permission from Trump and he never gave it, if I remember correctly.
You should join the discussion on the very subject of the problem of US police…
I’ve been biking to work and it’s great. I would like the bus system to be more robust for further travels so I can avoid expensive ubers.
EDIT: LOL I posted in the wrong thread. Not sure what happened but I meant to post somewhere else.
lostredditors? lostlemmyusers? lostlemmings?!
Lostlemmings gets my vote.
+1
lol there’s a bug in Lemmy right now where sometimes somebody’s comment will appear on another post. It almost happened to me but I noticed the instance switched posts before I clicked “reply”. Had to refresh the page to get back to the right post.
Edit: That being said I like “lostlemmings”
Calling people “lemmings” might seem a bit derogatory though. We left all the lemmings behind on Reddit, remember?
I definitely feel like a lemming; I followed everyone else here! Maybe Lemmons?
Lemmates 🤣
Lemmons?
I personally like the self deprecation the name gives off lol. What I really want to know is what is the lemmy mascot? a rat? a marsupial of some sort?
It’s supposed to be a lemur.
Lostlemmings is perfect!
I’m new to Lemmy like most of us are, and so far that comment is the first one I’ve seen that feels like a malfunctioning bot. Can someone with more tech knowledge than me explain if we are going to have a bot problem on Lemmy like we did on Reddit?
Nah, they’re almost certainly a real person. If you look, the user’s previous 2 comments were in a bicycle community.
There’s a bug in lemmy that sometimes causes a top level comment to appear on a different thread. I’ve seen a bunch of these - usually when they realize the commenter just deletes it or edits in an explanation.
Oh good, that explains it then. I’m so used to being suspicious that everyone is a bot lol
I am a human, beep boop. The same thing happened to me. It’s a Lemmy bug for sure.
I’m going with lostlemmings.
I’m willing to bet they clicked the right link, but Lemmy sent them too the wrong place. It happened to me
wrong thread but still based. bike + transit gang
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Nice dude. Fuck cars
It’s gonna be great that such a monumental news story will have this as the top comment. You’ve got my upvote.
ken M?
I noticed that sometimes when I refresh it will be on a totally different post. I don’t know how/why it happens but you are not alone.
Comforting to hear :)
The Average US President has been indicted 1.54 times. (Trump is the only US president to ever be indicted.)
Shamelessly stolen from someone on Mastodon (unfortunately I can’t find the toot).
How does the math on that work? Number of indictments / number of Presidents = 1.54 would imply that the number of times Trump has been indicted exceeds the number of Presidents the U.S. has had and that ain’t right…
yeah, I think comment OP got number of times indicted (I think twice so far?) confused with number of charges (37 or so for this indictment, more in the past and more forthcoming)
Ahhh. That makes more sense.
The actual average is 0.043*
2 indictments / 46 presidents
It’s 71 individual indictments, and they’re all trump. So 71÷46=1.5434782609
This is 0.043
I think a 0 is missing in there;
2 / 46 = 0.043Or 23 presidents per presidential indictment.
Sure it is, you’re forgetting the felony indictments in New York.
I’m not. You just missed a few words from the original post. “The average US President has been indicted on 1.54 felony counts.” That makes more sense. There have only been 2 indictments but many felony charges within them.
It’s okay, they shamelessly stole it from Twitter where it originated. [Deep breath] the circle of liiiiifffffeeeeeeee…
Damn! He’s just handing them out. And the worshippers would try to spin that into a praise of how giving and caring he is. 😒
Just want to say how good this post looks. Easy to follow updates with links and videos embedded. Great job lemmy!
Was just thinking this looks so much better than reddit…
i dont know if it looks that much better to me but it looks about the same, which is good for me personally
im just happy its workin to some degree at all. im kinda psyched on my first day poking around here
actually so incredibly nice
I hope they’re putting every protestor on a watch list. This has to be a high density of nutcases that could lose their shit at any time.
God knows how many of them are carrying guns there too. Conservatives are probably already getting ready to put the blame on “ANTIFA” if violence starts.
“I may not know what an ANTIFA is, but I knows I hates it.”
They should stick with the full name: anti fascists
They don’t know what that means either
We call my father’s sister Aunty Fascists.
Too many syllables for them
Also prime time to find any of the J6 fuckers who’ve evaded arrest
I’m sure there’s at least gonna be a couple of eyes looking out for that because they are exactly the kind of people who’d show up to this expecting no one’ll arrest them.
“They didnt get me last time” kind of mentality
Exactly. Or even just a “They didn’t nab me, so I must be important enough to protect” for the ones who are deep in the paint.
Shouldn’t be too hard I just popped on the live stream and it looks like maybe… 100? protesters and counter-protesters out there. Or in other words, the biggest crowd ever to attend what is going to be the first witch hunt in America, ever.
This has to be a high density of nutcases that could lose their shit at any time.
#florida
It’s incredible the level of downright braindead stupid you’d have to be to protest this. Like wtf is going on in these morons minds?
“Oh no an extremely powerful rich person is being arrested! What a travesty! Rich people are supposed to be above the law only us plebs should have to face consequences for our actions!! Let’s riot people!!!”
To play the Devil’s advocate: If you really believed the election was stolen, you’d sort of have to do something about it. It be a patriotic duty.
Imagine the timeline with Gore as POTUS
What we outside fail to realize is these people live in a wholly different reality.
I haven’t watched television with any ads in years. So when I go to a hotel and I’m lounging watching cable and seeing commercials it is jarring just what a different world it is from what I remember before. And for people who never left it, it isn’t jarring at all. It’s their normal.
Now imagine you only watched Fox or OANN. It’s your very reality that’s twisted all askew. It’s hard to hold that against many of the MAGA crowd and speaks to just how influential misinformation campaigns can be.
That’s the reality with my parents. They only watch FOX News. My father had claimed to have tried watching CNN (years ago before they started veering rightwards). He said he couldn’t watch their news because “they got it wrong.”
Why did my father think CNN got the stories wrong? Because FOX News reported A and therefore my father assumed A was true. When CNN reported B, then my father didn’t question if FOX was wrong. Instead, he just assumed that FOX was right and CNN was wrong. Since CNN was wrong about the news, my father didn’t see any reason to watch them and so he stayed with FOX. People get locked in and that becomes their only source of truth.
I try to get my news from a variety of sources. This way, no one news source could mislead me. If one source reports A, but 5 others report B, then chances are the truth is closer to B. (All other things being equal like source reliability.) Of course, my father claims that I’m brainwashed by listening to many different sources instead of just FOX News. Likely because that is what FOX told him is happening with me.
What we outside fail to realize is these people live in a wholly different reality.
This.
I passed a church today with a sign saying, “The Bible is the absolute truth!” I realized that anyone who truly believes that bullshit - enough to make it a statement outside their church - is completely divorced from sanity.
These people do not perceive reality. At all. They are locked in a deranged fantasy world in their heads. They are severely impaired and their news sources and pastors work full time to keep them mentally ill and absolutely incapable of understanding reality.
So when I go to a hotel and I’m lounging watching cable
Get yourself a Roku stick. Set it up at home and log into your streaming apps. Now any time you’re in a hotel you can just plug it into your hotel tv and bam, bye bye shitty hotel tv.
If I have to sit in the room for long enough I’m not watching TV anyway, I’m on my laptop or steam deck. Otherwise if I’m in a hotel room I’m somewhere I’d rather be out and about doing things anyway. Besides, as much as society’s reality is skewed by the inundation of commercials, so to is mine by not experiencing it like everyone else. So I try to, from time to time. See what the other side is seeing.
All this was in motion long before the 2020 election. If you want to trace it back to an election it would be Nixon, he’s the entire reason Fox news and the far right movement exist at all, But there’s a reason they were already stooping to the level of breaking into the Watergate hotel in the first place. The whole alt-right movement has been a slow moving coup starting with Prescott Bush (Yes, that Bush) who invested heavily in the republican party and, coincidentally, also directly helped Hitler come into power in Germany.
Sure, and that’s what’s so dangerous about Trump and the Republican party’s rhetoric surrounding the election. But you also have a patriotic duty to start with some actual solid evidence of the election being stolen. You don’t get absolved for playing out a “save the country” fantasy if it’s clearly based on, well, a fantasy.
Exactly. Truth is the main factor that separates good from evil.
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Trump has been released without any travel conditions, as he is reportedly not a flight risk per the judge.
I am not sure about that part…
He constantly has a secret service detail. He isn’t a flight risk because he can’t even try without being noticed.
I suppose he could run into his private jet and take off before they catch him, but I just can’t see the man running very far or fast
Does the SS have any reason to control him? I thought they just followed him around like puppies.
Remember, this is the same judge that he had before. She’s covered for him once, this is her doing it again.
I mean while he could physically fly away very easily it’s unlikely he would risk losing access to his properties and accounts in the US.
How is him fleeing forever to a foreign country not a win for everyone?
Because then he would quite literally be escaping justice.
Fair enough.
He would default all the civil suits and all his money would be seized.
because crime should be punished even when the criminal is rich.
Plus do you really want him running a presidential campaign from Russia or something and deal with his blind cult still maybe voting him in or repeating a January 6th at airports?
He would get at 30% of the vote from prison too. Either way, he’s not legally allowed to run.
Yeah, he’s a goner.
The judge said that former President Trump could have no contact with any witnesses in the case
ABC commenting on this being a big deal because that’s basically his whole campaign team lol
If what’s already transpired is any measure, there’s literally no way Trump can prevent himself from breaking the very, very few rules they have given him to follow in this case. It’s part of why he is struggling to find new legal counsel, because very few want to represent someone who does so many self-incriminating things on the daily.
he wanted to give some classified information, but instead of just handing them a document and saying “here’s that thing you asked for” they literally have him on tape saying ‘this is classified, I know it is, I could have declassified it but I didn’t, now I can’t, it’s totally classified and I’m not supposed to have it and I’m definitely not supposed to show it to you so don’t look too close’. Dude is terminally desperate to feel cool and important and it’s quite literally gonna land him in federal prison.
No mugshot, no handcuffs? Very disappointing, I needed those pictures to troll right wing nut jobs with.
I think it’s better this way. Less likely to be painted as a victim of persecution.
Yes definitely. Don’t pander to his need for theatre. Mugshots and handcuffs are exactly what he wants. His own press team released their own mock mugshot last time. He’d absolutely love it.
Sad we don’t get to see his mugshot or see him in handcuffs. If only the rich were treated the same as everyone else
I’m torn on the mugshot. On the one hand, I agree with your general point. On the other hand, he’ll just use a mugshot to bilk money out of his marks. But on the gripping hand, last time they just photoshopped a mugshot, so does it really matter if he has a real one?
haha holy shit
6’5” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. He’s tall but not that tall. Also “president” lol. As if they include that with mugshots.
They’ll give him money either way; it would be great campaign material for Biden though.
Automatic upvote for the Niven reference. I don’t think anything would stop Trump from grifting money from his supporters. It’s like the kobayashi maru, the only options are the least bad ones.
In this case I think they’ve opted to split the difference and take a mugshot proving he’s still being treated like a criminal (although it would have been better to have forced him to wear handcuffs), but not release it to deny him as much free fundraising fodder as they can.
Ultimately as you point out it won’t really matter, they’ll just photoshop something, but at least this way someone will need to put in the effort to make the image and we’ll all get some entertainment about how horrendous of a job they’ll inevitably do.
mugshot will not be made public
But it will be made. Wonder who gets that honor.
I think they’re allowing him to submit a picture rather than have a booking photo, according to other reports I’ve read
I’m sure that the people showing up in jail outfit cosplay will be entirely well behaved individuals…
They will all be good COVID citizens and wear masks too I bet.
Oh, I’m sure they’ll be wearing masks, but not out of consideration for others’ health.
Fun fact! COVID gave us a huge dataset of faces with masks on. Facial recognition software beats masks now with 99% accuracy.
Mask up seditionists, you’ll be fine! Trust me!
I like the tactical yee haw cosplays equally as much:)
No mugshot again? :(
I’ve heard mixed reports on that… Trump is either being allowed to provide a photo in lieu of mugshot or, if a mugshot is taken, it will not be made public.
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