no one has any “rights” except those that the government provides.
if the federal government decides that abortion isn’t something that it needs to legislate about, then it becomes a states issue. same thing with whatever flavor of the month you identify as
our society has had a lot of various rules in the past. for example, chinese/asians in general were banned from migrating to America after they built the western half of the cross continental railroad. or how all Japanese were forced into internment camps during WW2. or how we used to happily import millions of afticans as slave labor. or how we forced the “native” Americans (humanity is indigenous to africa and nowhere else) into reservations, where they languish to this day.
I could go on and on and on, but ultimately, your “rights” are only those that are provided by the government - and they can changed very quickly. educate yourself.
your “rights” are only those that are provided by the government - and they can changed very quickly. educate yourself.
This makes it seem as if rights are only provided because of the generosity of the government. That’s not really true. A lot of people have fought and died for what we now call “rights”. Yes, they are written on some piece of paper and legitimized by the government, but for most people, they are more than that.
100 years ago, many people didn’t have the same views on “rights” as they have today. They didn’t believe that, for example, disabled people should be treated as normal people. Since then, this has largely changed. Most people think that a person who is in a wheelchair is just as much a human being as anybody else.
The reason for this change isn’t “the government”. It’s not as if the government passed a law and everyone went “well, I guess it’s official now, I really didn’t like those damn disabled, but I guess I have to respect their rights now”. Instead, there was a shift in culture and how people saw other people, and this has over time reflected government policy.
If the government suddenly changed the laws, most people would still believe that disabled people deserve the same respect as everyone else.
You do have somewhat of a point when you say that rights can suddenly be lost, but the concept of rights goes further than just government policy, at least in the eyes of most people.
yeah I suppose you have a point - societal rules do exist and play a part of the ruleset that governs how we interact with each other, but “our” rules/rights in America and the western world are not the same as the rules/rights in other places/times.
if rights aren’t intrinsic and/or universal, and they change over time, are they merely a figment of our collective imagination?
if rights aren’t intrinsic and/or universal, and they change over time, are they merely a figment of our collective imagination?
I mean I don’t really believe in a sets of universal or inherent set of rights. I do agree that at the end of the day, they are social constructs and change over time and space.
But I wouldn’t call them a “figment of our collective imagination” either because that implies that they are not important or “real”.
I do think they are somewhat important, I do think they “exist” in some form, even though they are not material in nature and are, in some ways, just “made up” by humans.
no one has any “rights” except those that the government provides.
if the federal government decides that abortion isn’t something that it needs to legislate about, then it becomes a states issue. same thing with whatever flavor of the month you identify as
Not according to the Declaration of Independence and the entire basis our society was built on. I understand you are not civilized people though.
our society has had a lot of various rules in the past. for example, chinese/asians in general were banned from migrating to America after they built the western half of the cross continental railroad. or how all Japanese were forced into internment camps during WW2. or how we used to happily import millions of afticans as slave labor. or how we forced the “native” Americans (humanity is indigenous to africa and nowhere else) into reservations, where they languish to this day.
I could go on and on and on, but ultimately, your “rights” are only those that are provided by the government - and they can changed very quickly. educate yourself.
This makes it seem as if rights are only provided because of the generosity of the government. That’s not really true. A lot of people have fought and died for what we now call “rights”. Yes, they are written on some piece of paper and legitimized by the government, but for most people, they are more than that.
100 years ago, many people didn’t have the same views on “rights” as they have today. They didn’t believe that, for example, disabled people should be treated as normal people. Since then, this has largely changed. Most people think that a person who is in a wheelchair is just as much a human being as anybody else.
The reason for this change isn’t “the government”. It’s not as if the government passed a law and everyone went “well, I guess it’s official now, I really didn’t like those damn disabled, but I guess I have to respect their rights now”. Instead, there was a shift in culture and how people saw other people, and this has over time reflected government policy.
If the government suddenly changed the laws, most people would still believe that disabled people deserve the same respect as everyone else.
You do have somewhat of a point when you say that rights can suddenly be lost, but the concept of rights goes further than just government policy, at least in the eyes of most people.
yeah I suppose you have a point - societal rules do exist and play a part of the ruleset that governs how we interact with each other, but “our” rules/rights in America and the western world are not the same as the rules/rights in other places/times.
if rights aren’t intrinsic and/or universal, and they change over time, are they merely a figment of our collective imagination?
I mean I don’t really believe in a sets of universal or inherent set of rights. I do agree that at the end of the day, they are social constructs and change over time and space.
But I wouldn’t call them a “figment of our collective imagination” either because that implies that they are not important or “real”.
I do think they are somewhat important, I do think they “exist” in some form, even though they are not material in nature and are, in some ways, just “made up” by humans.
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you’re entitled to your own opinion - it’s wrong, but that’s ok
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