Recovering Conservative
The parallels between Fascism/Nazism and 🇮🇱 Zionism are indisputable @AntiOutsideAktion but not really relevant. Zionist hasbara introduces complications as distraction.
For example; arguing about, who was “there” “first”, then introducing ancient mythology (which actually tends to disprove their arguments).
@Tangentism
It was Ilan Pappé, I think, who quipped:
“Zionists don’t believe in God, but they’ll all tell you that God gave them Israel.”
🇮🇱 Zionists are as Jewish as is convenient at any moment.
@GarrulousBrevity
I think you’ll find that all of the “original Zionists” were Christian @GarrulousBrevity
What we now call “Zionism” grew after the Protestant Reformation, and is rooted in 17th-century English Puritanism.
It had two significant streams:
At the time, Jewish communities weren’t impressed. In the 19th century, Herzl and his friends exploited the movement to their own ends.
@Cowbee
@EchoCT
The US is faced with a choice of evils. Harris or Trump. The primitive US system will lead to one or the other occupying the Oval Office.
Having the right to vote makes you responsible for the outcome of the election. If you don’t vote, then you’re still responsible. If you vote for someone who can’t win, then you’re still responsible. There is no escape.
#USpol
#Palestine
#Israel
#Gaza
#genocide
@dessalines
It’s a tangled web @aasatru
The roots run deep. 🤔 To mix metaphors.
I haven’t actually read Herzl, but he reportedly wasn’t at all religious. He exploited what suited his ends. Part of his solution was that Jews would convert to Christianity. That’s probably his exploitation of the Christian mythology.
Herzl recognised that Palestine is too small to hold all of the world’s Jews. The ones that wouldn’t fit, he saw as dying out. His solution for the existing population of Palestine was evidently similarly brutal (in practice, if not in expressed theory).
Israeli Zionism is running true to form.
#Palestine
#Israel
#colonialism
#zionism
@aasatru
I’ve read that Jewish Zionism takes many forms. Among them, that Zion is wherever Jews are.
Complicating that is that Jewish Zionism springs from Christian Zionism. That’s a Protestant reinterpretation of scripture dating from the turn of the 17th century.
Jews didn’t start using the term ‘Zionism’ in relation to themselves until the late 19th century. Herzl adopted (or perhaps developed) the Jewish master race interpretation. Other groups evidently took different paths.
Originally, Palestine wasn’t part of the plan. Locations around the world were considered. Somebody (probably Herzl) realised that they could leverage the historical connection to Palestine. It also plays into the Christian rapture/second coming narrative, which was significant in the British involvement. The image is from the link that I posted earlier.
#Palestine
#Israel
#colonialism
#imperialism
There is no path to lasting peace that includes a Zionist state @aasatru
Zionists like to use ancient history for distractions
but I draw a line at the Ottoman Empire. That was a prolonged period of stability, in which Muslims, Christians and Jews shared Palestine.
Then came the British. The story really begins around the year 1840. Apparently, they were quite miffed that Britain’s Jews weren’t interested in moving to Palestine.
This is long, but worth a read. It reveals some interesting history.
https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/blogs/news/the-destruction-of-palestine-is-the-destruction-of-the-earth
#Palestine
#Israel
#colonialism
#impirialism
It’s fairly obvious that Israel is the problem @aasatru
The Zionist state is a mistake.
For centuries, Muslims, Christians and Jews shared Palestine. Then, the Zionists started arriving. They wanted to be the Master Race of the region. That’s the problem.
As Miko Peled observed, Israel and Palestine are the same place. He writes that Jews and Arabs can live together peacefully. That may be true, but by all appearances, it’s true of probably less than 20% of the population.
Palestine is sacred to more than Judaism and Islam. Ideally, I’d like to see it established as World Heritage. Protected by the world at large and thus needing no armed forces. I can dream, can’t I?
What of the other 80%? Netanyahu advocates a state in Sinai for Palestinians, so let’s make that two states. I think of them as sanatoria. Unarmed and heavily guarded, to protect them from each other and the world from them.
Plus a couple of very large prisons.
#Palestine
#Israel
#USpol
@aasatru
Israel is an arm of the US empire.
In 1986, Joe Biden told Congress: ‘There is no apology to be made for Israel. None! Israel is the best 3-billion-dollar investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect our interests in the region. The United States would have to go out and invent an Israel.’
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4962369/user-clip-joe-biden-israel-usa-invent-israel-protect-interest-region
#Palestine #Israel #Biden
Whataboutism tacitly concedes the substantive point @lazynooblet
For that, @SuckMyWang can be thanked
Meanwhile, back in the real world @Seagoon_
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-21/icc-issues-arrest-warrant-for-benjamin-netanyahu/104633044
The fact is that the vast majority of death, destruction and terror in the region have been inflicted by Israel and its Zionist progenitors. Zionists were the original middle-east terrorists and remain the most depraved.
@Joshi
#Zionism
#Palestine
#Israel
#genocide
#WarCrimes
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#terrorism