Typical leftist not understanding what winning looks like.

it is really bloody stupid to claim that it is “worse then nothing”

Not sure where to go from here, as you frame your whole comment like that and through that deconstruct any veneer of seriousness you thought you might have.

Nothing of what I said is untrue and I also assured you, that I understand your angle and laid out reasons for why I disagree with your conclusion.

But your reaction is repeating your point, ignoring the arguments laid out and adding a bit of ridicule. Really, fabulous substance.

I even agree with you, that what you proclaim as a win has a small potential to end up having a positive effect in some fictional future.

What I‘m saying is that using that possibility as foundation to call that a win (for whom, anyway? Surely not for the Palestinians) or to feel some kind of relief, because it emits that appearance that yes, finally, something has been done, is naive.

Although, with candidates like you, I also have to wonder, if it‘s really naivety or rather malice.

There is no working mechanism to hold any lying politician accountable through the nature of them having used the morally bad thing called „lie“. It really does not matter if Merz lies. Merz is a deeply insincere person, anyway, always was. How „really fucking stupid“ is it, to think that his dishonesty is a „win“, sorely because of the mere possibility, that he could end up looking like a liar. lol.

If Merz actually stopped anything, then you would have a case. What happened until now, is political maneuvering to appease the critical populus. It‘s cute that you feel like that‘s a win, I‘m saddened by your ignorance to actually call this a win.

But winning seems to be a very important aspect of your inner workings, so w/e. Have a good day.

That‘s, ya, I get what you are saying, but that‘s not a conclusion that you can claim today. It‘s really not guaranteed, like you hope. It also doesn‘t matter now, since what Merz implied is not at all, what actually happens; every possible backdoor is still open and every shipment is still being done, which in reality will further aid Israel with its genocide and therefore Germany persists in being complicit.

But what it does in reality is giving supporters of said genocide another talking point to deflect responsibility away from the German state. And it gives the regime the talking point, that it „has done something“. Although, it really hasn‘t.

And it gives people like you another reason to rationalize genocidal complicity.

Meanwhile, flights from German airports (Leipzig/Halle) continue to deliver armaments to Israel on a daily basis and forces workers to also become complicit in genocide, because it‘s not being made transparent what kind of stuff they‘re handling and as wage slaves they have little recurse against that, even if they become aware of it. They need to organise and shut down these operations, just like port workers all over europe have done already. Merz won‘t support that.

Action is needed now, stop fantasizing about future political plot twists. Humans are being slaughtered daily, and Germany remains an active participant.

It‘s not, because it‘s nothing more than a lie to calm down public sentiment. In effect, nothing changes. It‘s worse than nothing.

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Maaan, don‘t tell me your take is, that these are a bunch of racists, because in the past they had nixxa in their sub‘s name? That seems more of a play on hiphop and gang language. Maybe a bit tone deaf depending on perspective and point in time, but in principle they identified themselves with the term and were not using it in any derogatory manner towards other people. Hence, the use of the term „Homies“ to keep the gang vibe. They‘re water supremacists, not racists. My 2 Cents as a former hydro homie. Although, I’ve never been a water nixxa, so who knows, maybe they got me with their innocent language!

And while not on Reddit anymore, I‘m still a water supremacist. I hope you do realize, that water is god!

Once again you fail to engage with the criticism, you bore me to death.

You trying to argument, that because this little fascist up there was talking about (group of people), that calling out the fascist language they used to describe said group, is off-topic? I was setting the topic in this thread by calling out his dehumanizing rhetoric. Get a grip.

Come on goat, be a bit more honest. Else we‘re done for now, because this is getting embarrassing.

bruh, we never talked about tankies or liberals, stay on topic. We‘re talking about the abhorrent nature of this very community. Are you saying you people are unable to act human, as long as there are other entities out there that don‘t do that? What kind of dumb argument is that? Don‘t you have some kind of self-efficacy?

This is not about tankies or any other funny category of people, it is sorely about the toxic nature of your community.

Why would I have to condemn anything I have nothing to do with, in order for you to grow some metaphorical balls and condemn rotten behaviour in the very community you are moderating?

„I‘ll condemn when you condemn“ - bruh, I‘m not 13 anymore, what is this dumb shit?

Why are you acting so cowardly? Show how proud you are: „We here on (group) are closet-facsists and proud of it! Fuck them (insert hated group), they are roaches and we want them gone.“ Own up to it at least, fascism is en vogue again, nobody’s gonna jail you for it. But at least be honest about it, and towards yourself.

I know it seems super complicated, but how about you stay focused on the criticism put forward, instead of defaulting to whataboutism?

We are here right now to talk about the fascist, hateful and willful ignorant culture of your community (which has been my case all along, thanks for linking to the previous thread, although randomly towards the end) in this very thread, today by the example of this fabulous being I confronted up there.

Why do you have such a hard time to engage with that criticism? Is it because you enjoy fascist company? Do you condemn dehumanizing language being used in your community?

Ridicule me however you want, you‘re still the one happily using fascist language.

Alright, so you agree that you do dehumanize people you don‘t like (for whatever reason) and are proud of doing so, because you think you are doing it for the right reasons? Just like any fascist, thanks for clearing that up. Or do you have trouble understanding the concept of dehumanization? Also, @goat@sh.itjust.works, I rest my case.

But you are dehumanizing people with a different political ideology by calling them roaches (repeatedly). Why tho? You do realize that‘s shit that fascists do. Are you a fascist? You do sound like a Nazi talking about Jews; or a Zionist talking about Palestinians. Why do you do that?

Oh look, no argument, like at all, none, nada. Only arrogant ridicule and ad hominem, as if I havent laid that bare a couple comments ago. At least try to show that you are a sincere subject. How boring.

what an unhinged reaction

Delivered as ordered. Here to impress you.

also it’s than

Thanks, always a class act and so helpful. And that‘s all you got? Who cares, lol.

Should be fine to call you out as the dipshit, head roach and dictator cock sucker that you are, wouldn‘t you agree? Or does that only apply to „others“? Maybe we should just get rid of you and this deranged community?

What are your thoughts on this? Or on any of the other arguments and questions I‘ve put forward, annoyed, but at least in good faith? You haven’t answered one.

If you want to lead such an important community, maybe lead by example and be better thän the people you „document“? Don‘t you want to act as transparent as possible, after all, we need your point of view, so the unhinged commentators actually have something to refer to, instead of projecting? This can only increase post quality!

goooaaat, you dipshit, don‘t chicken out, what are you afraid of? Aren‘t you rationally and morally superior? Bring forth some kind of intellectually honest thought. I allow you to be unhinged, as well. Show us your true colours!

E: I‘m serious, tho, in as far as I‘m quite disappointed, that although I tried to engage in (IMO) serious criticism, you offered not one serious exchange. You can reject that as unserious projection, or whatever you need to not actually engage, but please realise, that you turn out to be deeply unserious, yourself, as you don‘t even manage to answer the most basic questions about your own stated opinions or the behaviour of your users. And that does paint a picture.

I was especially talking about blocking lemmy instances, but wasn‘t very clear on that. I‘m with you. Their conclusion was to block the goof‘s instance. By your logic then, they‘d have to stop consuming media period.

Yes yes, I wasn‘t very clear here. I didn‘t argue for RT, idgaf about them. I‘m talking about blocking lemmy instances, because of ideologic dissonances. GL, fellow goof.

Jetzt haste mich zwar zitiert, aber bist gar nicht auf den Inhalt eingegangen. Also in den meisten Einwanderungsländern (welche sind das, btw?) wird schlicht und einfach strukturelle Benachteiligung und komplizierte Bürokratie erwartet? Was?

Auch nette Allgmeinplätze die du da raussabberst, aber noch mal, warum kommentierst du explizit so, dass systemische Probleme auf Individuen abgewälzt werden? Laberst was von qualifizierten Kräften, aber verwährst Ihnen das Ankommen. Du bist ein kleiner Rassist, nicht wahr?

Every large state actor uses media as a propaganda tool, I‘m sure you know that. Blocking yourself to only get fed one version is … well, how about you build some media literacy and sharpen your critical thinking skills, instead. That way you‘ll be able to really decide for yourself. How long did western media parrot IDF propaganda? Oh, they still do? Damn ol‘ reality!

Who are the other belligerents?

Das sind alles Dinge, die strukturell erschwert werden hierzulande, werter Herr IchMachMirDieWeltWieSieMirGefällt. Konzentrier dich doch mal auf solche Aspekte. Ist natürlich einfach sonst auf all die Menschen zu zeigen, die diesem Standard nicht entsprechen und Ihnen nachher Unwillen oder Faulheit zu unterstellen, nicht wahr, mein Lieber?

I like how you’re calling people who post a pig shitting on itself as a “more serious people”

Not sure exactly what your point is other then displaying your rotten character.

You‘re babysitting a community, that exists and thrives only to poke fun at another set of people they‘ve learned to disagree with, even dehumanizing them, wanting to get rid of them, and you‘re participating and replicating it. The justification is „documenting“, but all you‘re documenting is your very limited world view and your malice.

What’s a person to think of this kind of mindset?

Tell me, because that‘s the purpose of this thread.

And how are they ignorant exactly?

Saying that ignorance creates fascism is extremely vague, that can mean anything.

Hm, yes indeed, since ignorance implies a lack of knowledge, this might not be the most precise term. What’s observable here is more of a willful set of actions and beliefs that‘s actively fostered: dehumanization, tribalism, hate, bigotry, malevolance, eliminationism.

Ignorance goes along with that, but might be a step removed. Let‘s call it wilful ignorance then. What it leads to other than fascism? Maybe think about that yourself, instead of asking outsiders, that you don‘t take seriously anyway.

But how do any of these comments support your claim that liberalism is fascism?

If you want a more serious discussion, we can certainly have one for a bit, you can start

Good bait. Bad reading comprehension. You’re a troll and acting in bad faith. Let‘s discuss, once you grow up.

E: Earlier you said this, too bad you didn‘t expand on it:

I agree that the West looks at the world with a western lens and that is ignorant.

What did you actually mean here? What is ignorant about it? What are the consequences? What is this „western lens“ actually doing with this community? And why are you running a community built on ignorance then? Classic Lib strategy of saying things that sound progressive, but upon closer inspection are empty shells to hide their ignorance?

@metallic_substance@lemmy.world calls the whole instance, or rather their users dipshits, has no argument, only ad hominem.

@finitebanjo@lemmy.world offers insults involving cocks, not sure what‘s up with that, but that sure is another ad hominem without any argument.

@finitebanjo@lemmy.world just doesn‘t take reality seriously, but thinks he‘s being clever by making fun of people that argue against capitalism.

@gabbath@lemmy.world has similar delusions about imperialism

Both are unserious people that have not a single original thing to offer, except ridicule towards more serious people.

I absolutely misread the comment about „the best way to nuke any lefty community“ by @Gsus4@feddit.nl and therefore edited it out of my original comment.

Anyway, the observation is, that this community is oozing with toxic behaviour, circlejerking on another group of people that they obviously don‘t even try to understand, but are afraid of and want to exlude or „get rid off“. Void of any arguments. This shit is what ignorant people do.

@goat@sh.itjust.works (you, mod) stays superficial in their reaction on the content itself only to construct a strawman about a group that wasn‘t mentioned with an argument that wasn‘t made. — but, this might have been an honest interpretation, alright.

Btw, goat, what is „ignorance“ in its political manifestation, if not the foundation of fascism? We should do better. You should do better. This place is a disgrace to any kind of intellectual discourse and the fediverse as a whole. You‘re modding a community driven by blind hatred.