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  • hoshikarakitaridia@feddit.detoich_iel@feddit.deich_iel
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    8 months ago

    Das hier triffts auf den Punkt. Ein Politiker ist inherent eine Person der Öffentlichkeit. Da er das Volk vertritt, wirbt er mit Authentizität. Das bedeutet er verbindet seine Privatperson mit seiner öffentlichen Person. Das bedeutet dass beides nicht mehr klar trennbar ist. An dem Punkt wird alles was man über ihn sagt beide Personas treffen und damit muss er leben. Wenn man durch Medien in die Öffentlichkeit gedrängt wird mag man ja noch Anspruch auf den Schutz gegen persönliche Angriffe haben, aber sobald man sich freiwillig in so einen öffentlichen Beruf begibt muss man damit rechnen und hat meiner Meinung auch keinen wirklich guten Grund zu sagen “ich will die Entscheidungsgewalt und die Redezeit aber nicht die Kritik”, selbst wenn die Kritik teilweise persönlich und beleidigend ist. Das gehört dann nunmal dazu.















  • which, seeing as the response was an immediate accusation of bad faith, I feel is more accurate

    And here’s your problem. You are assuming this, even though he made it clesr thst he didn’t appreciate how you assumed we are fine with all the other countries. Nobody said that, and we are not, so no, the first statement was more accurate. Which is also pretty logical, because we are talking about Russia this way BECAUSE of the warmongering, and not because “it’s Russia”.

    And I’m pretty sure the bad faith accusation came specifically BECAUSE you are distracting from this with whataboutism.

    It’s like saying “we should get rid of Kim Jong Un” and someone else going “ok but what about Xi Jin Ping” - there’s no reason to bring this up unless you wanna confront the original argument with distraction or a slippery slope argument.

    If you agree, say it like I proposed to you. If you don’t, because:

    for some reason none of them induce neither the level outrage, nor the hostility to anyone not sharing the level of outrage That’s whataboutism and it’s dangerous. No need to assume it’s only a Russia thing.

    Maybe Russia was the point where people were fed up with it, maybe the media didn’t report enough about the other conflicts, maybe ppl didn’t have the energy to be outraged every time, …

    Don’t attribute anything to malice that can be described through different means. The world is complex.


  • Your argument can be roughly translated to “so whst about those other countries then? Shouldn’t they need to be excluded as well?”. The point is, no one is disagreeing with you, but you are distracting from the fact that Russia is one of those countries. I’m also unsure if you are intentionally doing it, but you are doing it.

    You can do this in a different way: instead of “but what about those countries?” You can say “and if we look into Russia, we definitely need to also look into some of the other countries”. This makes it less confrontational and you are agreeing with the premise that there is an issue which should be acted upon.

    I can only assume you agree with the base point because Russia doing shady things in regards to the Olympic Games is pretty well documented, and penalizing them is a logical conclusion.