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  • tomenzgg@midwest.socialtoPeople Twitter@sh.itjust.worksMilk
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    12 days ago

    I think that’d make more sense if we’re considering the actual, underlying topic under debate but they were responding to gramie’s comment which didn’t challenge their assertion that the cows were hurt but just went (more or less): “counterpoint: ice cream is yum yum”.

    In that context, going “sex is pleasurable, too, but rape is still wrong” isn’t terribly out of left field, to me.

    But I get what you mean, for sure.



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    12 days ago

    I wouldn’t even know where to buy milk that doesn’t come from factory farming.

    I mean, that’s fair – I expect a lot of people don’t or don’t bother to do the research – but that’s still, definitionally, a contextual framework and isn’t universal. The premise that dairy consumption is universally (in all possible circumstances) evil assumes these arguments always apply; and they don’t.

    You can get milk from a cow without harming the cow or violently ripping away her calf. Maybe it’s difficult, etc. But it’s not impossible. So such a universal argument is simply incorrect.


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    12 days ago

    I only mention this because I have the same rhetorical tendency and people always somehow seem to think I’m equating the two: it’s not a statement that milk equals rape. It’s highlighting (with a stark example, arguably an unnecessary one) that a person deriving pleasure from an act doesn’t make the act immediately good (I dunno, stealing candy from a baby? For a less “vivid” counter example; I admit, I tend to use super obviously morally bad counter examples too, thinking it’ll make things more overly clear, and, instead, causing someone to think I think they’re the same thing rather than just operating under the same principle, of differing degrees).

    (all that said, their argument doesn’t hold water, to begin with, as it’s not cruel or painful to the cow unless under factory farming and cows have no sense of ownership and don’t feel like their property is being “stolen”; a meal isn’t a proper meal if dairy isn’t involved, as far as I’m concerned)