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  • Thanks for linking the UN Report - really horrific stuff:

    Two-thirds of the twenty-six former detainees interviewed, reported having been subjected to treatment that would amount to torture and/or other forms of ill-treatment, either in VETC facilities themselves or in the context of processes of referral to VETC facilities. These claims of mistreatment took place either during interrogations or as a form of punishment for (alleged) wrongdoing. Their accounts included being beaten with batons, including electric batons while strapped in a so- called “tiger chair”; being subjected to interrogation with water being poured in their faces; prolonged solitary confinement; and being forced to sit motionless on small stools for prolonged periods of time.

    Some also spoke of various forms of sexual violence, including some instances of rape, affecting mainly women. These accounts included having been forced by guards to perform oral sex in the context of an interrogation and various forms of sexual humiliation, including forced nudity. The accounts similarly described the way in which rapes took place outside the dormitories, in separate rooms without cameras. In addition, several women recounted being subject to invasive gynaecological examinations, including one woman who described this taking place in a group setting which “made old women ashamed and young girls cry”, because they did not understand what was happening. The Government has firmly denied these claims, often through personal or gendered attacks against the women who have publicly reported these allegations.

    The extent of arbitrary and discriminatory detention of members of Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim groups, pursuant to law and policy, in context of restrictions and deprivation more generally of fundamental rights enjoyed individually and collectively, may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes against humanity.

    You’re right it’s incorrect to call it a genocide but I’m glad you at least agree that “rape”, “torture”, “deprivation of fundamental rights” and probable “crimes against humanity” are being committed in the “re-education” camps against non-Han ethnic groups with the government being at the very least complicit by denying any wrongdoing - so it’s good to know you don’t blindly believe the CCP to be a benevolent force for good but can recognize the harm they’ve already caused to Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks and Huis in Xinjiang.


  • Vowing that streets in the UK must not become a “theatre for intimidation”, she said: "You see it manifest in the shameful behaviour on the streets of our cities, protests which are in fact carnivals of hatred directed at the Jewish homeland.

    Obviously the recent attack on the synagogue was horrific but the framing that this is why we need to protect the “Jewish homeland” without even a passing mention of the myriad of anti-muslim attacks (including the mosque arson) and the general animosity that has grown out of the genocidal campaign of Israel against the Palestinians is obviously done in bad faith.

    How about the UK stops supporting the genocide, sanctions Israel and promises to keep both Muslim and Jewish communities safe? Wouldn’t that be much more effective in creating a safer country for everyone, instead of just expanding the violence apparatus of the state?

    But we all know that in the face of popular unrest they’d much rather beat everyone into submission that submit to the will or the people.

    I’m just sad that leftists called this even at the start of this wave of the genocide that both denominations will continue to feel more and more unsafe so long as the UK (and the west in general) keeps providing cover for an increasingly more obvious genocidal campaign and are now being blamed for it as if the messenger is the perpetrator…





  • Depends on your definition of “favor” - I’m not in “favor” of militant resistance as much as I’m not in “favor” of oppressive powers.

    But I acknowledge that while the latter exists the former has a role in protecting those being oppressed until societal shifts occur that make such resistance unnecessary.

    I feel your argument is that such resistance groups only perpetuate violence itself and will end up being the ones oppressing others once they’re on top - this seems like a valid concern on the surface but is again historically inconsistent (eg. all the groups we’ve discussed became less militarized once they achieved their aims - not more)

    Furthermore, it echos “swart gevaar” like rhetoric and is often based on oppressor groups’ projection that assumes marginalized people will behave exactly as they themselves have when given power, as they literally cannot imagine equality because their own experience of power has been about domination. (not directed at you just more as an example of why armed resistance is generally seen as more violent than the banality of state violence)

    Also, I understand you were speaking in the present and future tense, but without exploring the historical context of similar struggles in the past it makes it impossible to consider what can work now or in the future.

    Finally, dismissing militant resistance entirely essentially tells oppressed people to limit themselves to tactics that those in power find acceptable, which is a very convenient arrangement for those wanting to maintaining existing hierarchies.

    TL;DR I don’t condone violence but when violence is already routinely perpetuated against those most vulnerable then I acknowledge violent resistance can become necessary as an action of last resort


  • Violence is not and never will be the answer.

    This is historically inaccurate and not acknowledging the role that militant resistance has played in the Indian, Civil Rights and even women’s liberation represents a particular form of contemporary sanitization that only serves existing power structures.

    Of course saying violence is the only way is just as absurd as saying that non-violence is the only way. As MLK and Malcolm X have shown you need both the carrot and the stick to make the carrot seem like the appealing option - as the state will always attempt to extinguish both.

    I’m always reminded of this letter by Dr. King when this question arises:

    First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens’ Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season …







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    as someone in close proximity with ai doomers and with a reasonable knowledge of computer science - I don’t think AGI is as silly as this meme presents it - however climate change is a much more pressing and encompassing issue that I feel takes precedent over any super intelligence fears.

    like the “best” argument I’ve heard is that climate change isn’t as big a deal since super intelligence will solve it but then we’ll get subjugated by it - ok but how about it solves our most existential problem first and then we worry about the aftermath?

    they all seem to just throw up their hands and say we shouldn’t let it save us (if it even could) and just live out the rest of lives since there’s nothing we can do about either… weird tho how this argument only ever seems to come from comfortable westerners… if they were really serious they’d be out there destroying chip fabs in Taiwan…

    idk I just think it’s the new climate inaction narrative but in a tech doomerist clothing.


  • The article you’ve linked says they’ve forgiven less than 5% of the total amount lended so not sure I’d classify that as “frequent”

    Further, the PRC does not require austerity politics or otherwise giving up sovereignty over the recipients economy, they pay for infrastructural development.

    I agree this is definitely a good thing but I want to acknowledge they do also directly profit from all this development - they’re not doing it to help others for the socialist ideal but for strategic geopolitical goals

    they just fundamentally don’t have the same mechanics that force imperialism in the west, like huge private monopoly and falling rates of profit.

    But they still operate in the same system which is why even their renegotiated loans never fall below the 2% inflation rate.

    Idk I can understand critical support of China when it comes to challenging western imperialism I just don’t agree with their approach of rejecting egalitarianism and enforcing material inequality as a means to supposedly reach communism


  • So you’re saying that China didn’t extend or take advantage of western debt traps for their own economic and geopolitical goals?

    So

    • Sri Lanka desperately needs $1.12 billion to avoid defaulting to Western bondholders
    • China provides that cash immediately
    • In exchange they get 99-year control of a $1.4 billion strategic asset
    • Sri Lanka still owes them the original construction debt
    • China now controls 70% of future port profits for a century (or two)

    And look I’m not claiming that this crisis wasn’t caused by western imperialism - but calling it a “trade” or “multilateral exchange” when China very obviously took advantage of a country in crisis for almost exclusively their own benefit is disingenuous.

    Do you really see no issues with such predatory lending (irrespective of it being done by the IMF or BRI)?


  • Didn’t Mao do the Cultural Revolution specifically to prevent (not that it was implemented well or that it worked) what he saw the USSR was becoming and wanted to prevent China from following in the same capitalistic footsteps?

    As in do you believe the person who said

    (2) The imperialist powers have forced China to sign numerous unequal treaties by which they have acquired the right to station land and sea forces and exercise consular jurisdiction in China, [17] and they have carved up the whole country into imperialist spheres of influence. [18]

    (3) The imperialist powers have gained control of all the important trading ports in China by these unequal treaties and have marked off areas in many of these ports as concessions under their direct administration.[19] They have also gained control of China’s customs, foreign trade and communications (sea, land, inland water and air). Thus they have been able to dump their goods in China, turn her into a market for their industrial products, and at the same time subordinate her agriculture to their imperialist needs

    would approve of the belt and road debt trap or the actual 99 year lease China used to take over the port of Colombo in Sri Lanka ?

    Or is it fine to exploit other countries if the people in your country benefit?

    Even then you believe they’re socialist when Deng Xiaoping says (and Xi repeats this “common prosperity” rhetoric) that

    “Our policy is to let some people and some regions get rich first, in order to drive and help the backward regions, and it is an obligation for the advanced regions to help the backward regions.”

    So you recognize the failure of neoliberal “trickle down” economics but refuse to accept that if the same capital accumulation happens in a “socialist” country its suddenly not a problem?

    And you really think that Jack Ma and his family won’t fight tooth and nail to keep their private jets and offshore million dollar houses instead of forgoing them voluntarily for the good of the socialist project? please…


  • It’s a blog post that uses a 1957 CIA invasion plan of Ukraine to frame the conflict in a very one-sided manner (ie. the CIA put Ukrainian nazis in power who then indirectly burned pro-Russian protestors to death in the Union House Building)

    Even ignoring the very broad brush strokes the author paints with - I still don’t understand why he seems incapable of recognizing that two things can be true at once?

    Like it is both possible for the the US to take advantage of Ukrainian tensions for their benefit - while also acknowledging that Russia is an imperialist power in and of itself and can also do the same.

    I just don’t understand how you’d go through all the trouble of laying out how both sides are ripping up Ukraine and come out with the conclusion that it’s all the fault of Ukraine and the US.

    Oh right we’re only allowed to make that connection if neolibs are in power…



  • I mean yeah that makes sense - but I’ve personally not seen examples of prefigurative building that have rejected funding and resources from the old system on ideological “purity” grounds - quite often the reason is that established systems just refuse to funnel resources into alternative systems that don’t generate a profit.

    As an example - I was involved in a waste reduction/swap shop (food, clothing, furniture, etc) cooperative that due to it’s well established social value was getting council and some governmental finding for over 10 years - everyone involved in it would see it as a prefigurative example of the future of society of fulfilled low carbon living. However, due to austerity cuts and a profit seeking landlord, who was asking for 10 grand a month in rent (which was over a third of how much the coop was making) once the council could no longer funnel money into the landowners pocket - the project was no longer viable and folded.

    Now do you think the people that were involved didn’t do everything in their power to keep the project running? Not in the slightest - it’s just that the system is so hostile to such endeavors that they’re constantly fighting an uphill battle where one slip is enough to send you all the way down.

    So while I do agree that ideally we’d funnel resources from the old to the new - time and time again it’s been proven that relying on the existing precarious system only results in building on weak foundations that will take you down with them when they inevitable collapse.

    And I’m not saying this to dissuade you from pursuing a dual system theory - I’m genuinely trying to figure out a way where we can build the sorely needed infrastructure of the future in any way possible - in a climate that takes 15 years to approve a 50 square feet low traffic street to pedestrian area conversion in a time where we’re 25 years away from unprecedented climate catastrophy.


  • Is your proposal then to reform the existing system into a new one? To use the existing levers of power to attempt to rip that power away from those that are currently pulling them?

    Which I wouldn’t mind if it worked - but the original reason for prefigurative action was because this approach didn’t seem to achieve anything. But I guess you’re arguing that maybe the environment is different now and therefore more susceptible to change?

    How do you see everyday people participating in this political movement - voting? canvassing? running for office?

    I guess you see Mamdani as such an example? Tho I doubt anarchists would reject him just on the grounds of him being a reformist and therefore not valuable to the cause, in my experience any push towards a more socialist society is generally embraced and not rejected no matter where it comes from.