• @JoeyJoeJoeJr@lemmy.ml
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    151 year ago

    Your right to a jury trial depends on the service of your fellow citizens, as well as the judge, etc.

    Your right to vote depends on the service of many volunteers to work the polls, count votes, etc.

    Rights are granted and protected by governments; whether they require a service is irrelevant.

      • @JoeyJoeJoeJr@lemmy.ml
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        101 year ago

        That sidesteps my point, which was that “rights” are granted by governments (the first of those two, jury trial, is literally in “The Bill of Rights”). You can disagree about what should be a right, and in a country with a democratic procedure for determining rights, you can vote to change what is considered a right, but whether it requires a service or not is irrelevant.

        Healthcare requiring service does not preclude it from being a right.

        • That sidesteps my point, which was that “rights” are granted by governments

          False. Our rights exist whether or not governments choose to respect them.

          • ddh
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            41 year ago

            So tell us again how abortion is not a right.

          • @marx2k@lemmy.world
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            1 year ago

            If you’re talking about natural rights, that philosophy works great if you’re alone on an island. Once there’s at least one other person, the philosophy gets drowned in a bathtub because you held something slightly valuable someone else wanted.