Terror group preventing civilians from evacuating northern Gaza's Jabaliya, according to IDF-released recording where Gazan describes how Hamas members beat them with sticks, forcing them to stay
What I said is that they should be allowed to leave and they aren’t being allowed to because they can’t cross a border due to an invading force controlling it.
Israel is controlling a border that is not theirs to control. That is not in dispute. Therefore there is only one nation that has control over who gets in and out of Gaza. The idea that they would control the border and give freedom of passage is silly.
Have you seen a mass refugee exodus? Do you think Gazans want to stay there and die? Are you under the impression that Hamas somehow controls virtually the entire Gazan population to the point that basically none of them have fled?
This is ludicrous. You must just be trolling at this point.
I specifically asked you to quote me saying that there are no IDF troops at the border, and you failed to, and I reject you mischaracterizing my argument. You very specifically said “Because they don’t want anyone to leave.” and have yet to provide evidence. Reframing your unsourced claim as “they can’t cross a border due to an invading force controlling it” is disingenuous and in bad faith, and also not substantiated as it similarly implies without evidence Israel’s intentions.
Thank you for posting another comment devoid of a source for your claims. The “source” you posted previously does not support your assertion of Israel’s intentions. Injection of this is a strawman, followed by your unsubstantiated opinion of what it means to you personally. You have yet to prove Israel would not let refugees leave to Egypt.
I’m supposed to provide proof for my response to your claim, yet you aren’t required to source your original claim of “Because they don’t want anyone to leave”? No no :)
When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim, especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.[1] This is also stated in Hitchens’s razor, which declares that “what may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.” Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion – “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” – which is known as the Sagan standard.[2]
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One way in which one would attempt to shift the burden of proof is by committing a logical fallacy known as the argument from ignorance. It occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proven true.[8][9]
I’m not going to be engaging with you now, or in the future. This is extraordinarily bad form, and a huge waste of time.
What I said is that they should be allowed to leave and they aren’t being allowed to because they can’t cross a border due to an invading force controlling it.
Israel is controlling a border that is not theirs to control. That is not in dispute. Therefore there is only one nation that has control over who gets in and out of Gaza. The idea that they would control the border and give freedom of passage is silly.
Have you seen a mass refugee exodus? Do you think Gazans want to stay there and die? Are you under the impression that Hamas somehow controls virtually the entire Gazan population to the point that basically none of them have fled?
This is ludicrous. You must just be trolling at this point.
I specifically asked you to quote me saying that there are no IDF troops at the border, and you failed to, and I reject you mischaracterizing my argument. You very specifically said “Because they don’t want anyone to leave.” and have yet to provide evidence. Reframing your unsourced claim as “they can’t cross a border due to an invading force controlling it” is disingenuous and in bad faith, and also not substantiated as it similarly implies without evidence Israel’s intentions.
Thank you for posting another comment devoid of a source for your claims. The “source” you posted previously does not support your assertion of Israel’s intentions. Injection of this is a strawman, followed by your unsubstantiated opinion of what it means to you personally. You have yet to prove Israel would not let refugees leave to Egypt.
I am in no way trolling.
I have no idea what your argument even is at that point.
All I said is that they should be allowed to leave Gaza if they want to.
That isn’t all you said, your comments are all here on display for everyone to read. And I’m very clear on what you are saying.
Yes they are:
And no you’re not. What the fuck is your point?
Wow, that was the entire conversation? Where was I getting this idea that you were claiming Israel would not let refugees leave to Egypt?
Oh, that was exactly what you said… “Because they don’t want anyone to leave.”
And yes, I am. Because I read what you said.
Israel controls the border between Gaza and Egypt.
Why are there not refugees crossing that border? If it isn’t Israel, please explain who is stopping refugees from crossing the border.
I’m supposed to provide proof for my response to your claim, yet you aren’t required to source your original claim of “Because they don’t want anyone to leave”? No no :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
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I’m not going to be engaging with you now, or in the future. This is extraordinarily bad form, and a huge waste of time.
Dude, this is basic logic. One party controls the border, therefore that party is the one that has the power to let people in and out.
People aren’t being let out.