horseshit. 50% of us were telling the other half how badly this would go. We called their lies out. We were labelled “remoaners” and “project fair”
“…regain his sicilian roots and get an italian passport”
He made a mistake and rather than doing anything to help change it and resolve the problems he caused by voting for brexit, hes going to run away to another EU country. Absolute scumbag.
Just want to point out for the readers that the brexiter slogan is “Project Fear” rather than “project fail” (no doubt a mistype).
This is important as it was one of the main slogans used by the far-right nationalists that pushed for Brexit, to dismiss every and all argument made by the other side about the consequences of voting Leave (notice how it dovetails with calling the other side “remoaners”). I live in the UK before, at the time and for a year afterwards and that I remember Brexiters did not actually used a single logical and well analysed argument, just half-throughts, outright lies and this kind of slogan.
I would say the Leave vote was won mainly on nationalism (which, by the way, is and has been for centuries widelly cultivated in England by pretty much all of the Press and both main parties) and anti-immigrant scapegoating and even racism (to the point that people speaking polish on their mobiles got attacked on the street).
Mind you, the “other” side was mostly headed by politcians who had spend the previous 2 decades or so, when they were in Government using the EU as a scapegoat for measures that they themselves wanted and which were unpopular (it wasn’t uncommon for the UK Government to push for something in the EU and then when it got implemented in the UK blame the EU for it), so they couldn’t actually come out and admit that the EU was a good thing and had done and was doing good things for the UK - as the would be admiting their own lies during all those years of scapegoating the EU - so all they had left were negative arguments against leaving, hence why “project fear” and “remoaners” were such great slogans.
Already before that referendum, the discourse about the EU in the UK was quite different than it was in other EU countries, as the political class in the UK saw the EU as a means to extended the UK’s power and influence (i.e. they sought to use the EU) rather than the “pooling of power for the good of the group” view on the EU which was predominant in most of Continental Europe. In fact this mindset was to such a point that many of the Remainers were actually making the argument that “The UK should stay in the EU and reform it” (or, in other words, the UK would change the EU to be what the UK wanted it to be, as if its 50 millin people counted more than the other 470 million - which by the way does match how a large segment of the English population still now sees themselves as inherently superior to all foreigners but americans).
Just to clarify, if you have Italian ancestry (grandparents or parents), you can apply for Italian dual citizenship which would would then give you an EU passport without having to actually move there. At least as far as I understand.
My wife is half Italian and we’ve been seriously thinking of emigrating from the US to somewhere in the EU and we’ve been exploring options.
I’m not condoning a Brexit vote by any means, but I just wanted to clarify that getting an Italian passport does not automatically mean that they’re abandoning the UK.
Lastly, and this may be unpopular, but I think the guy should be given a little credit for at least admitting his mistake. I’m stuck in a pro Trump state and am surrounded by idiots that are going to vote for that dumb fuck for a third time and I wish there were more people here that would admit their mistake.
horseshit. 50% of us were telling the other half how badly this would go. We called their lies out. We were labelled “remoaners” and “project fair”
He made a mistake and rather than doing anything to help change it and resolve the problems he caused by voting for brexit, hes going to run away to another EU country. Absolute scumbag.
Just want to point out for the readers that the brexiter slogan is “Project Fear” rather than “project fail” (no doubt a mistype).
This is important as it was one of the main slogans used by the far-right nationalists that pushed for Brexit, to dismiss every and all argument made by the other side about the consequences of voting Leave (notice how it dovetails with calling the other side “remoaners”). I live in the UK before, at the time and for a year afterwards and that I remember Brexiters did not actually used a single logical and well analysed argument, just half-throughts, outright lies and this kind of slogan.
I would say the Leave vote was won mainly on nationalism (which, by the way, is and has been for centuries widelly cultivated in England by pretty much all of the Press and both main parties) and anti-immigrant scapegoating and even racism (to the point that people speaking polish on their mobiles got attacked on the street).
Mind you, the “other” side was mostly headed by politcians who had spend the previous 2 decades or so, when they were in Government using the EU as a scapegoat for measures that they themselves wanted and which were unpopular (it wasn’t uncommon for the UK Government to push for something in the EU and then when it got implemented in the UK blame the EU for it), so they couldn’t actually come out and admit that the EU was a good thing and had done and was doing good things for the UK - as the would be admiting their own lies during all those years of scapegoating the EU - so all they had left were negative arguments against leaving, hence why “project fear” and “remoaners” were such great slogans.
Already before that referendum, the discourse about the EU in the UK was quite different than it was in other EU countries, as the political class in the UK saw the EU as a means to extended the UK’s power and influence (i.e. they sought to use the EU) rather than the “pooling of power for the good of the group” view on the EU which was predominant in most of Continental Europe. In fact this mindset was to such a point that many of the Remainers were actually making the argument that “The UK should stay in the EU and reform it” (or, in other words, the UK would change the EU to be what the UK wanted it to be, as if its 50 millin people counted more than the other 470 million - which by the way does match how a large segment of the English population still now sees themselves as inherently superior to all foreigners but americans).
Thanks for this. Also yes I mistyped, “fear” is what I meant
It’s not like Italy isn’t struggling with its own fascist problems. Dude would feel right at home there.
“That’s… why I’m here.”
Just to clarify, if you have Italian ancestry (grandparents or parents), you can apply for Italian dual citizenship which would would then give you an EU passport without having to actually move there. At least as far as I understand.
My wife is half Italian and we’ve been seriously thinking of emigrating from the US to somewhere in the EU and we’ve been exploring options.
I’m not condoning a Brexit vote by any means, but I just wanted to clarify that getting an Italian passport does not automatically mean that they’re abandoning the UK.
Lastly, and this may be unpopular, but I think the guy should be given a little credit for at least admitting his mistake. I’m stuck in a pro Trump state and am surrounded by idiots that are going to vote for that dumb fuck for a third time and I wish there were more people here that would admit their mistake.