Well at the very least you have to agree, that he was in quite a dilemma. If he allows it, he interferes by action. If he doesn’t, he interferes by inaction.
To him, and to me too, inaction seems more impartial, which is probably all he cares about at this point, and once again it’s what I would probably care about too.
You can be mad at someone who is impartial, but at the end of the day, the only thing you are mad at, is them not doing jack-shit, which of course can be very annoying.
He had a choice in his hands with privileged information, then he chose the Russian side. This declarations are just justification to wash his hands, he is team Putin all the way, always has been. He has been seen partying with Russian oligarchs. The reason he bought SpaceX was because his original idea of buying dismantled ICBMs from his rusky arms dealer pals was too incredibly stupid to pull off, and it was easier to do it by way of an aerospace company.
Starlink service was bought by Ukraine to provide internet access to civilians and the military. Technically it was provided by the US because Musk offered to, for free initially, though he later pedalled back to charge inordinate amounts of money. Which the US and UA agreed to pay anyway. Because single companies monopolizing entire control to fundamental services is a huge issue. War time or not. He is profiteering and unfortunately owns the only company that can provide this specific kind of service. But in strategic matters, he will always go to bat for his BFF Vova.
People just don’t get it. All they want is dead Russians. I myself would prefer humiliated and defeated Russians, not necessarily dead. All they have to do is capitulate and admit they are losers and ill be happy.
Couldn’t you say the same thing about power companies and the mail system? We’re taking about shutting off utilities to help/hinder those that align with ideals.
Elon musk is not a military entity. He is a private citizen. His taxes just like yours and mine are going into this war. But he is also providing starlink to the civilian population as a humanitarian gesture. Expecting every private citizen to get up and wield a weapon against Russia for Ukraine is not realistic, nor does refusal to do so make you complicit in helping Russia. Just like being a conscientious objector in Vietnam didn’t make you complicit in supporting the Viet Kong.
No dude, NO! Elon is being paid BILLIONS by various nato entities to provide all of Ukraine , including and especially the military, a communication networks within their territory because Russia blew theirs up.
According to CNBC, SpaceX is funding Starlink in Ukraine, not the government:
“Musk reportedly told the Pentagon in October he would no longer finance the Starlink terminals in Ukraine as the country prepared to fight through the harsh winter months. However, the billionaire reversed course and did continue to fund the service.”
The Pentagon said Thursday it has agreed to purchase Starlink satellite internet terminals from Elon Musk’s SpaceX for use in Ukraine as Kyiv continues to defend itself against a full-scale Russian invasion.
from the same article
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We continue to work with a range of global partners to ensure Ukraine has the satellite and communication capabilities they need. Satellite communications constitute a vital layer in Ukraine’s overall communications network and the department contracts with Starlink for services of this type,” the Pentagon said in a statement to CNBC."
Elon was claiming that the terminals were operating at a loss, so he was ‘funding’ the service. Since he owns the terminals and the satellites he is providing service, not funding. He often get confused on the details of contracts.
Oh pish posh. Elon’s isn’t providing starlink as a humanitarian, he’s making the US government pay for it. That’s his whole game, subsidized capitalism that gives him plausible deniability.
“If I had agreed to their request, then spacex would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t SpaceX be explicitly complicit in conflict escalation by interfering with Ukraine’s ability to defend itself?
i guess we found out what musk thinks about the trolley problem
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Now that it’s shown he is explicitly monitoring each attach by Ukraine, it shows he is responsible for every other attack that has used starlink.
It also shows that starlink is monitoring its traffic and use at an unexpected level.
This action shows Elon is 100% responsible for every other attack. This is why companies don’t usually do this.
Well at the very least you have to agree, that he was in quite a dilemma. If he allows it, he interferes by action. If he doesn’t, he interferes by inaction.
To him, and to me too, inaction seems more impartial, which is probably all he cares about at this point, and once again it’s what I would probably care about too.
You can be mad at someone who is impartial, but at the end of the day, the only thing you are mad at, is them not doing jack-shit, which of course can be very annoying.
Not really since its already being used by the military, knowingly and deliberately provided.
So he’s already active.
Well now you got me, since I didn’t know that. So this guy then just lacks any integrity, which is not suprising at all.
He had a choice in his hands with privileged information, then he chose the Russian side. This declarations are just justification to wash his hands, he is team Putin all the way, always has been. He has been seen partying with Russian oligarchs. The reason he bought SpaceX was because his original idea of buying dismantled ICBMs from his rusky arms dealer pals was too incredibly stupid to pull off, and it was easier to do it by way of an aerospace company.
Starlink service was bought by Ukraine to provide internet access to civilians and the military. Technically it was provided by the US because Musk offered to, for free initially, though he later pedalled back to charge inordinate amounts of money. Which the US and UA agreed to pay anyway. Because single companies monopolizing entire control to fundamental services is a huge issue. War time or not. He is profiteering and unfortunately owns the only company that can provide this specific kind of service. But in strategic matters, he will always go to bat for his BFF Vova.
People just don’t get it. All they want is dead Russians. I myself would prefer humiliated and defeated Russians, not necessarily dead. All they have to do is capitulate and admit they are losers and ill be happy.
Couldn’t you say the same thing about power companies and the mail system? We’re taking about shutting off utilities to help/hinder those that align with ideals.
Elon musk is not a military entity. He is a private citizen. His taxes just like yours and mine are going into this war. But he is also providing starlink to the civilian population as a humanitarian gesture. Expecting every private citizen to get up and wield a weapon against Russia for Ukraine is not realistic, nor does refusal to do so make you complicit in helping Russia. Just like being a conscientious objector in Vietnam didn’t make you complicit in supporting the Viet Kong.
No dude, NO! Elon is being paid BILLIONS by various nato entities to provide all of Ukraine , including and especially the military, a communication networks within their territory because Russia blew theirs up.
Crimea is Ukraine. Elon disagrees.
According to CNBC, SpaceX is funding Starlink in Ukraine, not the government:
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/01/pentagon-awards-spacex-with-ukraine-contract-for-starlink-satellite-internet.html#:~:text=Musk reportedly told the Pentagon,continue to fund the service.
First paragraph of the article you linked:
from the same article " We continue to work with a range of global partners to ensure Ukraine has the satellite and communication capabilities they need. Satellite communications constitute a vital layer in Ukraine’s overall communications network and the department contracts with Starlink for services of this type,” the Pentagon said in a statement to CNBC."
Elon was claiming that the terminals were operating at a loss, so he was ‘funding’ the service. Since he owns the terminals and the satellites he is providing service, not funding. He often get confused on the details of contracts.
That’s true, but still, those terminals cost money and SpaceX has provided free access for thousands of Starlink stations for Ukraine military access.
Oh pish posh. Elon’s isn’t providing starlink as a humanitarian, he’s making the US government pay for it. That’s his whole game, subsidized capitalism that gives him plausible deniability.
Taxes? This clown is far too rich to pay taxes.
“The best defense is a good offense”
Looks like you’re right… I doubt the Russians agree with you though, lol.