So to preface this is posted in literature.cafe’s meta community but this
question is primarily aimed at generally anyone in the lemmyverse who is NOT a
cisgender man no matter what instance they may be in. The purpose of this thread
is to present a stage for conversation for those willing to contribute, and
although cisgender men are not excluded I kindly ask you to be mindful of the
fact what this thread is meant for and try to avoid talking over others here. If
you are a cisgender man interested in learning and seeing how lemmy can improve
like I am: welcome. For those who are here to cause issues or talk over others
though, you will be promptly removed. I do not know the demographic data of
lemmy, but I would wager a large portion are male. And over the past few weeks I
have witnessed women on numerous occasion discuss their discomfort on here.
Reddit very much had a very “bro-y” feeling culture for many, that felt like a
barrier to entry to many women. With lemmy, there’s a potential to break this.
But the answer really is how? Lemmy has begun to develop into its own culture
already independent of Reddit quite rapidly, and it’s been awesome to see but I
am wondering if there’s a way we can push it a step further and implement ways
to make the platform more welcoming to women than Reddit previously did.
Thoughts?
Conversation ongoing over there, inviting anyone who wants to participate to please consider sharing their thoughts if they are willing to. If you wanna post in the original thread from your instance copy and paste the link into your instances search panel
As I said in the thread, if you aren’t comfortable posting feel free to DM me here or on matrix and I can post anonymously for you.
The best you can do is curate a space which is heavily moderated and one in which fragility which is implicitly misogynistic or derailing is not tolerated.
Yes, exactly this! And that is the crucial difference between the microblog fediverse and the threadiverse in my opinion. Micro fediverse instances are more likely to heavily moderate on those axes compared to lemmy and kbin instances.
LW and kbin are disproportionately huge in the threadiverse (135k and 65k users respectively), instances like Beehaw (13k users) seem to work reasonably well, and that’s 6th place in user count, with the remaining 1200+ instances being smaller than that.
Then… what you’re saying is, “short format” content tends to be better moderated?
I guess that’s true, short is easier to moderate than long, less context to take into account.
Not sure how to apply that to long format content though, with threads, which extend the context even more… 🤔
Splitting content into short format blobs, like I’m doing here? But this seems contrary to the spirit of long format platforms.
Now that I’m thinking… 💡 maybe context tagging is the key? Short content tends to use hashtags to include context, while threaded long format platforms rely on following the thread back for the full context, and deeper nested discussions can easily veer off-topic.
Could that be the key difference? On-topic context-tagged content, is easier to moderate?
Then… maybe threaded long format platforms, could offer a way to split a thread apart, let an off-topic conversation follow its course in a separate “context container”?
I’m thinking, Matrix has introduced “threads” to help follow a back-and-forth exchange in what otherwise is a mix of comments in a channel.
What if Lemmy offered something similar but kind of opposite: the possibility to upgrade a comment thread into a post, maybe even one on a different community or instance?
So, instead of having to moderate comments off-topic to a post, or even off-spirit to a community, a topic could be kicked out to somewhere else it fits better?
Optionally, adding some feature for tagging comments, that could help mods follow topic changes?
Hm, @Gaywallet@beehaw.org, would you say something like these could be useful features to act as funnels that could automatically redirect behaviors unwelcome in a community to somewhere else, or am I just rambling here?
(PS: this could also solve the question I had about following discussions on deleted posts, just boost the thread at whatever point from the same or another community, and done. Same for the issue of posting a Mastodon comment, just set it as the head of whatever post.)
I think I’m suggesting a different way of viewing and approaching the threadiverse/fediverse outside the Reddit/Twitter dichotomy, using the base features that allow both interpretations, but in a slightly different way.
Just wondered if any of it resonated with you, since your philosophy posts and such. Maybe it would be best shown with an example, but I can’t do that right now. I know you’re looking into alternatives.
Yes, exactly this! And that is the crucial difference between the microblog fediverse and the threadiverse in my opinion. Micro fediverse instances are more likely to heavily moderate on those axes compared to lemmy and kbin instances.
What is the size for “micro” in this context?
LW and kbin are disproportionately huge in the threadiverse (135k and 65k users respectively), instances like Beehaw (13k users) seem to work reasonably well, and that’s 6th place in user count, with the remaining 1200+ instances being smaller than that.
Micro as in microblog. ie, twitter like instead of the threadiverse, which is reddit like
Ah, I misunderstood.
Then… what you’re saying is, “short format” content tends to be better moderated?
I guess that’s true, short is easier to moderate than long, less context to take into account.
Not sure how to apply that to long format content though, with threads, which extend the context even more… 🤔
Splitting content into short format blobs, like I’m doing here? But this seems contrary to the spirit of long format platforms.
Now that I’m thinking… 💡 maybe context tagging is the key? Short content tends to use hashtags to include context, while threaded long format platforms rely on following the thread back for the full context, and deeper nested discussions can easily veer off-topic.
Could that be the key difference? On-topic context-tagged content, is easier to moderate?
Then… maybe threaded long format platforms, could offer a way to split a thread apart, let an off-topic conversation follow its course in a separate “context container”?
I’m thinking, Matrix has introduced “threads” to help follow a back-and-forth exchange in what otherwise is a mix of comments in a channel.
What if Lemmy offered something similar but kind of opposite: the possibility to upgrade a comment thread into a post, maybe even one on a different community or instance?
So, instead of having to moderate comments off-topic to a post, or even off-spirit to a community, a topic could be kicked out to somewhere else it fits better?
Optionally, adding some feature for tagging comments, that could help mods follow topic changes?
Hm, @Gaywallet@beehaw.org, would you say something like these could be useful features to act as funnels that could automatically redirect behaviors unwelcome in a community to somewhere else, or am I just rambling here?
(PS: this could also solve the question I had about following discussions on deleted posts, just boost the thread at whatever point from the same or another community, and done. Same for the issue of posting a Mastodon comment, just set it as the head of whatever post.)
Honestly I’m not sure what you’re suggesting. We’re looking into alternatives, please be patient.
I think I’m suggesting a different way of viewing and approaching the threadiverse/fediverse outside the Reddit/Twitter dichotomy, using the base features that allow both interpretations, but in a slightly different way.
Just wondered if any of it resonated with you, since your philosophy posts and such. Maybe it would be best shown with an example, but I can’t do that right now. I know you’re looking into alternatives.