An American politician has been arrested in Hong Kong for carrying a gun into the city, according to a charge sheet seen by CNN, in what he has called an “honest mistake.”
Coming from someone who carries daily, I get that sometimes you forget it’s there and carry into a post office or doctors office. What I don’t get is how you forget when going to the airport. Internationally.
The firearm is just a tool, it becomes part of your daily routine. You pick it up and holster it like you put your wallet in your pocket and your watch on your wrist.
I check to make sure it’s loaded, but other than that there’s nothing special or exciting about tucking the holster in my belt. No “OMG A GUN” feeling, no excitement, my heart rate doesn’t jump. It’s just normal to be armed and you sort of forget about the heavy lump of metal and plastic secured to your belt.
That being said, I’ve never forgotten about it enough to pack into a prohibited place like a police station or a bar, and CERTAINLY NOT A FUCKING AIRPORT.
Also, we shouldn’t be giving TSA a pass here, assuming the congress critter actually went through security like us normal folks.
I keep a knife on me. Its just a piece of metal, not some grand thing. Its not a poket knife eithet its a proper Ka-bar, I have it on my belt and will just forget avout it.
Less murder more self defense, I have to drive through an area with lots of unstable meth heads and if one of them tries to stab me im returning the favor.
Glances around at all the people I know who carry pocket knives and multi tools.
Then again I wouldn’t call a gun a tool when it’s purpose is to maim and kill. Like sure technically it is correct but most people carry tools for utility reasons not that.
Right? I’m actually sympathetic towards the “gun is a tool” argument. I grew up on a farm and have been hunting, I can relate.
And those people who carry pocket knives and multi tools (and as a technician, I’m one of them) are presumably often encountering situations where those tools are useful. What are the situations where a gun is useful? What is the kind of job that tool is designed for?
I’m convinced that it’s at least a little bit about the “OMG A GUN feeling”. I don’t see people walking around the street with a ball peen hammer holstered to their belt.
I grew up surrounded by farms ain’t no one carrying around a pistol at their hip to shoot gophers. We got a rifle and/or a shotty either held in the hand or in the tractor or truck.
I grew up on a farm too and I can say that I didn’t know of any farmer who carried a gun with them. I spent a lot of time at different farms. Guns all stayed back at the house.
I gave other examples of “tools” like a watch or a wallet. Tools are just a means of getting things done, and aren’t in of themselves good or evil. Some tools are more dangerous than others, just like some jobs are more dangerous than others.
Trained and responsible adults do dangerous jobs, often with dangerous tools, in public, all the time. Similarly millions of law abiding Americans legally carry pistols every day, and you’d be surprised how little crime they commit with their tools compared to the overall public.
But that’s probably not what this crowd wants to hear, and that’s ok. I’m just chiming in to lend a perspective that might not be the status quo in places like this.
This excuse always makes me laugh, “it’s just a tool, like a hammer”. Well, a hammer could hit someone in the head, but it’s designed to hit nails. A gun does… What? Shoots people or animals. You’re an idiot.
Sure, but it doesn’t do that without someone pulling the trigger.
What you’ve done is assume either the tool has agency of its own, or that humans can only use this tool for negative purposes.
What I said was that those things are patently untrue, and provided examples of how >6 million pistols are legally carried by civilians in the US every day, and how those civilians are far less likely than regular public to commit gun crimes.
This is kind of a tautology because the legal carry folks are both:
legally allowed to acquire a firearm (ruling out prohibited persons like people with prior criminal histories) and in many cases they’ve
gone through even more extensive background checks and rigorous training
But I also acknowledge that some folks don’t think those facts are significant, I’m just sorry this resorted to name calling.
Defense with justifiable deadly force (as a last resort) is not evil or bad. I appreciate that you agree that there’s a good reason for millions of law abiding people to be armed.
Lol I agree, but its hard to explain to people who aren’t around guns that you can forget there’s a loaded deadly weapon on your belt. It’s very uncomfy and seemingly dangerous at first but after a few months or years it’s like a wallet but you typically use it 0 times a day. You don’t really realize it’s there, more than once I started walking to something that doesn’t allow guns and had to go back to my car to lock it up.
It happens.
But airports, especially intl terminals is pretty unexcusable.
Does the average person carry a wallet with their cash, credit cards, and ID? It’s pretty important but 99% of the time you don’t think about it. Or keys to their house?
If a gun is on you almost all the time, you don’t really notice it until it’s NOT there, then it’s time for concern.
It’s an important item to keep track of but like a wallet it’s “not there” until you either need it or it’s not there when checking for it.
Gun owners love making analogies to benign things that aren’t guns. If you get so used to your gun that you forget it’s even there, you’re not being a responsible gun owner. Period.
Lol should I chant to myself when walking my dog? “I have a gun, I have a gun, I have a gun”
In most cases it IS a benign object. Other than the occasional shooting range it doesn’t leave the holster, I’ve never had to draw it, I’ve never shot it outside of the range. I put it on without thinking about it, it stays on my waist where nobody can see it, I don’t feel it there unless I think about it.
Agree to disagree I guess, if you wear something every day and forget it’s there that makes you human not an irresponsible person. Unless you forget about it and enter say… and airport terminal, then you’re a dumbass.
Coming from someone who carries daily, I get that sometimes you forget it’s there and carry into a post office or doctors office. What I don’t get is how you forget when going to the airport. Internationally.
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The firearm is just a tool, it becomes part of your daily routine. You pick it up and holster it like you put your wallet in your pocket and your watch on your wrist.
I check to make sure it’s loaded, but other than that there’s nothing special or exciting about tucking the holster in my belt. No “OMG A GUN” feeling, no excitement, my heart rate doesn’t jump. It’s just normal to be armed and you sort of forget about the heavy lump of metal and plastic secured to your belt.
That being said, I’ve never forgotten about it enough to pack into a prohibited place like a police station or a bar, and CERTAINLY NOT A FUCKING AIRPORT.
Also, we shouldn’t be giving TSA a pass here, assuming the congress critter actually went through security like us normal folks.
What other tools do you carry around with a sole purpose of killing something?
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I keep a knife on me. Its just a piece of metal, not some grand thing. Its not a poket knife eithet its a proper Ka-bar, I have it on my belt and will just forget avout it.
So the only purpose you have that knife is to murder someone?
Less murder more self defense, I have to drive through an area with lots of unstable meth heads and if one of them tries to stab me im returning the favor.
Why do you carry tools around with you all day? Do you also carry a hammer, reciprocating saw, spirit level or tape measure?
Glances around at all the people I know who carry pocket knives and multi tools.
Then again I wouldn’t call a gun a tool when it’s purpose is to maim and kill. Like sure technically it is correct but most people carry tools for utility reasons not that.
Right? I’m actually sympathetic towards the “gun is a tool” argument. I grew up on a farm and have been hunting, I can relate.
And those people who carry pocket knives and multi tools (and as a technician, I’m one of them) are presumably often encountering situations where those tools are useful. What are the situations where a gun is useful? What is the kind of job that tool is designed for?
I’m convinced that it’s at least a little bit about the “OMG A GUN feeling”. I don’t see people walking around the street with a ball peen hammer holstered to their belt.
I grew up surrounded by farms ain’t no one carrying around a pistol at their hip to shoot gophers. We got a rifle and/or a shotty either held in the hand or in the tractor or truck.
That said I’m not in the US.
I grew up on a farm too and I can say that I didn’t know of any farmer who carried a gun with them. I spent a lot of time at different farms. Guns all stayed back at the house.
I can cut an apple with a pocket knife at least.
Well, a gun can turn the apple into apple-sauce.
I gave other examples of “tools” like a watch or a wallet. Tools are just a means of getting things done, and aren’t in of themselves good or evil. Some tools are more dangerous than others, just like some jobs are more dangerous than others.
Trained and responsible adults do dangerous jobs, often with dangerous tools, in public, all the time. Similarly millions of law abiding Americans legally carry pistols every day, and you’d be surprised how little crime they commit with their tools compared to the overall public.
But that’s probably not what this crowd wants to hear, and that’s ok. I’m just chiming in to lend a perspective that might not be the status quo in places like this.
This excuse always makes me laugh, “it’s just a tool, like a hammer”. Well, a hammer could hit someone in the head, but it’s designed to hit nails. A gun does… What? Shoots people or animals. You’re an idiot.
Sure, but it doesn’t do that without someone pulling the trigger.
What you’ve done is assume either the tool has agency of its own, or that humans can only use this tool for negative purposes.
What I said was that those things are patently untrue, and provided examples of how >6 million pistols are legally carried by civilians in the US every day, and how those civilians are far less likely than regular public to commit gun crimes.
This is kind of a tautology because the legal carry folks are both:
But I also acknowledge that some folks don’t think those facts are significant, I’m just sorry this resorted to name calling.
You’re arguing in bad faith. A concealed weapon has exactly one purpose: defense by the use of deadly force, or brandishing.
Defense with justifiable deadly force (as a last resort) is not evil or bad. I appreciate that you agree that there’s a good reason for millions of law abiding people to be armed.
Lol I agree, but its hard to explain to people who aren’t around guns that you can forget there’s a loaded deadly weapon on your belt. It’s very uncomfy and seemingly dangerous at first but after a few months or years it’s like a wallet but you typically use it 0 times a day. You don’t really realize it’s there, more than once I started walking to something that doesn’t allow guns and had to go back to my car to lock it up.
It happens.
But airports, especially intl terminals is pretty unexcusable.
Seems similar to looking for your glasses while wearing them or looking for your phone while talking on it. Sometimes the ol brain just shits the bed.
If you forget about carrying your gun, than you are not handling it with the required responsibility.
Does the average person carry a wallet with their cash, credit cards, and ID? It’s pretty important but 99% of the time you don’t think about it. Or keys to their house?
If a gun is on you almost all the time, you don’t really notice it until it’s NOT there, then it’s time for concern.
It’s an important item to keep track of but like a wallet it’s “not there” until you either need it or it’s not there when checking for it.
The question remains: why would you need a gun at all time?
A wallet isn’t going to accidentally fire a hole in your foot. A phone isn’t going to murder someone by force.
Is it really the only way you can feel safe in your own country? Because that only happens in shitholes.
It’s because people who carry are cowardly cunts regardless of what country they’re in. Though its mostly the US types we hear about doing this shit…
Gun owners love making analogies to benign things that aren’t guns. If you get so used to your gun that you forget it’s even there, you’re not being a responsible gun owner. Period.
Lol should I chant to myself when walking my dog? “I have a gun, I have a gun, I have a gun”
In most cases it IS a benign object. Other than the occasional shooting range it doesn’t leave the holster, I’ve never had to draw it, I’ve never shot it outside of the range. I put it on without thinking about it, it stays on my waist where nobody can see it, I don’t feel it there unless I think about it.
Agree to disagree I guess, if you wear something every day and forget it’s there that makes you human not an irresponsible person. Unless you forget about it and enter say… and airport terminal, then you’re a dumbass.
A gun is not a benign object you fucking moron
Well he also isn’t allowed to carry his gun to his job as a senator sooooo…