Im fairly certain that what I’m about to say will be disliked by ketamine users and abstainers.
Ketamine is garbage at everything besides temporarily lobotomizing people. It works for it’s many uses because it makes the user stupid. It’s often given to suicidal people, not because it’s a miracle drug, but because it incapacitates them in a safe manner.
That said, it’s great at making people too stupid to be able to hurt themselves, most of the time. It’s great at numbing psychological pain because the user will be too stupid to conceptualize their own thoughts or realize where they are physically.
It’s also hard on the urinary system and has a fleeting high.
If you like ketamine then by all means, you do you. If you may be interested in trying ketamine, become a zombie safely, just don’t expect it to cure your depression, woes, or any of your other problems.
Yeah, I’m gonna take the peer reviewed studies results that show that ketamine is quite effective with relieving drug resistant depression over this post of yours…
Yeah but I don’t like when peoole see one study and then claim that it’s conclusive. The consensus is that there may there might be something to it being useful for depression, and it should be studied further. No high confidence.
Ketamine is garbage at everything besides temporarily lobotomizing people. It works for it’s many uses because it makes the user stupid. It’s often given to suicidal people, not because it’s a miracle drug, but because it incapacitates them in a safe manner.
This quote from you contradicts what you’ve just said.
It doesn’t. I can speak to it’s mode of action without speaking to it’s reason of use or efficacy. It’s highly effective. It’s great at what it’s used for. It also temporarily makes the user stupid and incapacitates them.
You didn’t though. You used a blanket statement. As evidenced by your use of the word “everything”. Your entire initial comment reads as if it was written in the grip of anti drugs hysteria in the 1950s and shows none of the nuance you’re now trying to claim it does.
You’re also wrong on its mode of action, so you’re not even speaking to that. It doesn’t work by making the user “too stupid to conceptualize their own thoughts or realize where they are physically”.
It is useful in creating a sense of disassociation of self - the same thing that meditation does. It even affects the same regions of the brain as meditation. When used carefully, with therapeutic intent, it can be an effective treatment for depression.
Recreational use is sketchy, definitely. But the science is there for using it therapeutically.
I have no dog in this fight, but any studies done on brain chemistry and psychological effects need to be taken with a grain of salt. We know so little about the brain and consciousness that most of the stuff we’re trying and doing are educated guesses.
I would add to this that anyone doing ketamine should not do it in the bath, which I’m inferring was what happened here. The same happened to someone I knew, she drowned in the tub.
Yeah, “don’t k-hole in the bathtub” seems like pretty good (and hopefully obvious) advice. This seems more like user error than the acute effects of the drug itself.
He didn’t die from overdosing on ketamine, because that’s nearly impossible.
I judge my desire to try drugs by how people act when they’re on them. Do they look like they’re having fun at least? Two drugs I’ve never had an interest in:
Same here. I had some good nights drinking and gaming. Still doesn’t beat toking or eating edibles and gaming though but I’ve been abstaining for over a year lol
That’s unfortunate. The effects of many drugs can be entirely mental rather than visual, leaving the person looking like they’re just laying down with their eyes closed, or staring into space.
Particularly, ketamine, as a dissociative, at higher doses, is entirely in your mind. What a person in that state looks like from the outside is zero indication of what they are experiencing.
It’s not unfortunate. To me drugs are entirely unnecessary to begin with. And if I choose to use them it’s to enhance an activity, not to replace an activity or be an activity on its own. I’ll be fine.
Well that’s not what we were talking about though, was it? We were talking about you judging people based on how they may look while under the influence. That’s ignorant.
Also, I find this to be amusing:
To me drugs are entirely unnecessary
Uh huh, so I guess antibiotics are off the table? I sure hope you don’t die from a minor infection. Hope you never get diabetes or high blood pressure. No cough medicine or allergy medicine either, that’s annoying. I hope you don’t have any serious allergies, because EpiPens sure as shit count as “drugs”.
To each their own for sure, but that right there is a combination for some very strange times. Sometimes fun is becoming part of the couch and traveling into outer space. They’re definitely not all get up and dance and have fun, though.
To expand on the urinary issues ketamine causes, the problem is that ketamine will recrystallize inside your blatter and ketamine crystals can be pretty sharp.
Im fairly certain that what I’m about to say will be disliked by ketamine users and abstainers.
Ketamine is garbage at everything besides temporarily lobotomizing people. It works for it’s many uses because it makes the user stupid. It’s often given to suicidal people, not because it’s a miracle drug, but because it incapacitates them in a safe manner.
That said, it’s great at making people too stupid to be able to hurt themselves, most of the time. It’s great at numbing psychological pain because the user will be too stupid to conceptualize their own thoughts or realize where they are physically.
It’s also hard on the urinary system and has a fleeting high.
If you like ketamine then by all means, you do you. If you may be interested in trying ketamine, become a zombie safely, just don’t expect it to cure your depression, woes, or any of your other problems.
Yeah, I’m gonna take the peer reviewed studies results that show that ketamine is quite effective with relieving drug resistant depression over this post of yours…
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/10/ketamine.html
Yeah but I don’t like when peoole see one study and then claim that it’s conclusive. The consensus is that there may there might be something to it being useful for depression, and it should be studied further. No high confidence.
Nothing I said is in any contention with ketamine/depression studies.
This quote from you contradicts what you’ve just said.
It doesn’t. I can speak to it’s mode of action without speaking to it’s reason of use or efficacy. It’s highly effective. It’s great at what it’s used for. It also temporarily makes the user stupid and incapacitates them.
You didn’t though. You used a blanket statement. As evidenced by your use of the word “everything”. Your entire initial comment reads as if it was written in the grip of anti drugs hysteria in the 1950s and shows none of the nuance you’re now trying to claim it does.
You’re also wrong on its mode of action, so you’re not even speaking to that. It doesn’t work by making the user “too stupid to conceptualize their own thoughts or realize where they are physically”.
He said everything except “temporarily lobotomizing people” which was clearly hyperbole.
He then gave examples where the sedation provided by ketamine can be beneficial.
This guy gets it.
There are so many overly pedantic haters that recently joined Lemmy. Every post now is controversial as fuck judging by the downvoting going on.
It is useful in creating a sense of disassociation of self - the same thing that meditation does. It even affects the same regions of the brain as meditation. When used carefully, with therapeutic intent, it can be an effective treatment for depression.
Recreational use is sketchy, definitely. But the science is there for using it therapeutically.
But your assessment of its efficacy is not contradictory to DontHavePants observation. They didn’t say it wasn’t effective.
I have no dog in this fight, but any studies done on brain chemistry and psychological effects need to be taken with a grain of salt. We know so little about the brain and consciousness that most of the stuff we’re trying and doing are educated guesses.
And random social media text posts need to be taken with a cargo ship’s load worth of salt.
Or, get this, everyone experiences drugs differently and your bad anecdote is irrelevant next to the mountains of evidence and peer reviewed studies.
Once again, I haven’t disputed or attempted to refute any of these “mountains of evidence.”
I would add to this that anyone doing ketamine should not do it in the bath, which I’m inferring was what happened here. The same happened to someone I knew, she drowned in the tub.
Agreed. Don’t get lobotomized in any body of water.
Any drug close water where you can drown is a recipe for disaster. Someone I knew pop an acid tab at the beach and drown itself.
Yeah, “don’t k-hole in the bathtub” seems like pretty good (and hopefully obvious) advice. This seems more like user error than the acute effects of the drug itself.
He didn’t die from overdosing on ketamine, because that’s nearly impossible.
He drowned.
I judge my desire to try drugs by how people act when they’re on them. Do they look like they’re having fun at least? Two drugs I’ve never had an interest in:
Ketamine
Nitrous
Alcohol.
people definitely look like they are having fun drinking
I guess in the commercials. But we don’t actually see them drinking.
I had a lot of fun on the booze last night. my mouth is full of regret and bile today however.
Can confirm that alcohol is fun for as long as you can stand up straight
drinking alone is shite though.
I’ve just had some pretty good nights in just me, a bottle of wine, and a movie
Same here. I had some good nights drinking and gaming. Still doesn’t beat toking or eating edibles and gaming though but I’ve been abstaining for over a year lol
fair enough. for.me.oersonally it started getting out of hand in the pandemic. so I try to keep it social and be a good boy on school nights.
That’s unfortunate. The effects of many drugs can be entirely mental rather than visual, leaving the person looking like they’re just laying down with their eyes closed, or staring into space.
Particularly, ketamine, as a dissociative, at higher doses, is entirely in your mind. What a person in that state looks like from the outside is zero indication of what they are experiencing.
It’s not unfortunate. To me drugs are entirely unnecessary to begin with. And if I choose to use them it’s to enhance an activity, not to replace an activity or be an activity on its own. I’ll be fine.
Well that’s not what we were talking about though, was it? We were talking about you judging people based on how they may look while under the influence. That’s ignorant.
Also, I find this to be amusing:
Uh huh, so I guess antibiotics are off the table? I sure hope you don’t die from a minor infection. Hope you never get diabetes or high blood pressure. No cough medicine or allergy medicine either, that’s annoying. I hope you don’t have any serious allergies, because EpiPens sure as shit count as “drugs”.
Nitrous is great
To each their own for sure, but that right there is a combination for some very strange times. Sometimes fun is becoming part of the couch and traveling into outer space. They’re definitely not all get up and dance and have fun, though.
To expand on the urinary issues ketamine causes, the problem is that ketamine will recrystallize inside your blatter and ketamine crystals can be pretty sharp.