‘Andrew Tate is a symptom, not the problem’: why young men are turning against feminism
www.theguardian.com
Teachers describe a deterioration in behaviour and attitudes that has proved to be fertile terrain for misogynistic influencers

Despite the triggering headline, this is a pretty good article that talks about how younger men are falling for this horseshit

  • bouh@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    What is this argument? I’m trying to understand. Here you’re not giving an argument though, merely an analysis. You don’t say anything about what’s possible about the problem. Except maybe explaining more and better then?

    Men have nothing to win out of the Conservative ideology btw. It’s very harmful to them. Both physically and psychologically. But people don’t choose an ideology after a cost/benefit analysis anyway.

    • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
      2·
      10 months ago

      Last time: rightwing populism offers easy solutions to complex problems of modern world ( like for example gender: conservatives say there are two and don’t bother thinking more about that topic). Modern media allows for easy spread of populism ( algorithms pushing media that creates engagement and creating information bubbles). The right wing populism offers men a clear role and place in society. Right wing populism also offers a clear role for women in society, but it’s almost as bad as a deal as immigrants get. Progressive and feminism also offers solutions to modern problem, but they are more complex. ( For example a more complex understanding of what gender ist). Complex ideas are more difficult to sell.

      If you feel like engaging with my analysis/argument/greating card what ever you call it, you are welcome otherwise have a nice day.

      • bouh@lemmy.world
        1·
        10 months ago

        Now that’s where we disagree, unless there are things you didn’t say: progressives and feminism don’t offer solutions to modern problems IMO.

        And that’s what I’m basically saying and asking you from the beginning. If there are solutions proposed, what are they?

        • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
          2·
          10 months ago

          Dude I literally gave you an example. I obviously can’t retell you whole feminist and other progressive theories and what they offer as solutions to each one of the problems we are facing in moder world.

          My example was gender issues:

          conservatives - there are two and don’t think more about it, you feel like you don’t fit, we teach to ignore feelings anyway.

          progressive - offer a complex ever evolving understanding of gender as combination of culture and biology.

          And that’s true for a lot of topics.

          One is easily digestible the other takes time to understand.

          • bouh@lemmy.world
            2·
            10 months ago

            I understand this very well, but that’s not my question. This is in fact irrelevant to the subject here. I’m not asking you about the rights minorities should get. I’m asking you about the cis-heterosexual men and women.

            I’m not asking about theoretical or abstract things. I’m asking a simple question.

            If your answer is that it is too complex, then you now know what the problem is. And that’s exactly the problem I’m referring to.

            If you can’t understand that, then the problem doesn’t come from the people who don’t understand your complex theories.

            • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
              2·
              10 months ago

              Until you realize that you are not asking simple questions, you will never understand why simple answers don’t work. The answer will always be complex, so it comes down to people being able to explain complex concepts in an entertaining and understandable manner, where we come back to the point I was making the whole time.

              At least you almost understood me at the end. It’s something.

              • bouh@lemmy.world
                2·
                10 months ago

                Thank you for proving my point: I ask a simple question, and you hide behind arrogance and disdain, abandoning me with no answer. This is precisely what I was saying.

                • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
                  1·
                  10 months ago

                  Sure, everyone is free to chose to be ignorant. Nothing I can do about it. But it’s sure funny that after days talking with me - that is your take away.

                  • bouh@lemmy.world
                    2·
                    10 months ago

                    You know what’s funny? I can say exactly the same about you. I think you forgot what the conversation was even about.