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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Україна | Ukraine 🇺🇦@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago

Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA Front Laid Foundations for Ukraine War

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Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA Front Laid Foundations for Ukraine War

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Україна | Ukraine 🇺🇦@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago
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Obvious examples of Central Intelligence Agency covert action abroad are difficult to identify today, save for occasional acknowledged calamities, such as the long-running $1 billion effort to overthrow the government of Syria, via funding, training and arming barbarous jihadist groups.
  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    The only child here is the one who’s ignoring all history that led up to the conflict and pretending the west had no role to play.

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      It’s incredible how you constantly try remove any agency the people of Ukraine have. I was there for Euromaidan. I know exactly what we’ve been fighting for.

      On the flip side to play devil’s advocate for a moment, even if we were to take this at face value that makes the actions of Russia toddler level bullshit. “Oh noes the evil west uwu, I have to murder tens of thousands of people now. Look what they made me do, uwu”…

      Путин, пошёл на хуй

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        Nah, I’m not taking any agency from you for the things you did as reported by CNN back in 2014 https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296

        The real question is why you would take the agency away from people you were doing this to.

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          I am those people…

          The people doing that to us were the Russians.

          Also as a reminder, 75% of us voted for Zelensky. The further east you went the higher the percentage. Go fly a kite somewhere else сука

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            Even CNN reported openly who was shelling Donbas, but you keep on going there. Now, trolls like you are all over social media cheering for other people to keep on dying. By the way, remind me again what platform Zelensky ran on again?

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              Getting rid of the Russian corruption and getting closer to the EU.

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                Seems like you’re omitting something pretty important there, but I’ve stopped expecting any sort of intellectual honesty a long time ago.

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                  What am I omitting?

                  Talking about intellectual honesty coming from you is hilarious.

                  In one side you preach about the propeganda of western media and then use said media as proof… Laughable indeed.

                  He’s kept a lot or working on aot.of his promises.

                  https://www.slovoidilo.ua/amp/2021/03/29/stattja/polityka/rytoryka-zelenskoho-vstupu-post-prezydenta-zaraz-cymy-obicyankamy

                  https://voxukraine.org/richnitsya-prezidentstva-zelenskogo-otsinka-voxcheck/

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                    You know what you’re omitting and the fact that you can’t even bring yourself to say it really says all we need to know. I love how your whole trolling strategy is rooted in people in the west being ignorant on the subject.

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      You’re using an incredibly naive, reductive, and highly cropped version of history if you really think that. Or, you’re arguing in bad faith. Tankies often try to pull the latter, but it’s pretty easy to spot.

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        I’m literally the opposite by focusing on the history that led up to the conflict and the role that west played in creating the conditions for it. The incredibly naive, reductive, and highly cropped version of history is the claim that Russia just decided to invade Ukraine out of the blue and nothing could’ve been done to avoid that. The fact that you’re a grown ass adult using the word tankie says everything I need to know about you though.

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          You’re scoping the relevant historical interval to begin at 1917. I’m scoping the relevant historical interval to begin at 482. You’re taking a highly targeted and very obviously biased view of the situation.

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            You’re scoping the historical interval before anything resembling Ukraine existed, and that has zero relation to the current geopolitical conflict between US and Russia where Ukraine is being used as a proxy. Somehow, you think that’s a coherent point you’ve made.

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              Beg to differ

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                😂

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