In May 2021, the Guardian reported that Julian Chandra – then vice-president for growth at LBRY, now CEO of Odysee – told employees in an email that “being a white nationalist or nazi isn’t grounds for removal. Are you nazi that makes videos about the superiority of the white race? That is NOT grounds for removal.”
Ehhhhhhh…
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On one hand it is a shame to remove alternatives to YouTube. Odysee had RSS feeds and I never had much trouble with the player. On the other hand I never understood why they tried to tie it into the blockchain or cryptocurrency. I didn’t understand how that helped either users or the creators.
Peertube has RSS. I hope this pushes folks to Peertube. I personally recommend and love TILVids. You can set up an account on TILVIDs and even follow folks on other instances. Or spin up your own Peertube if you’re brave enough, I could never figure it out but I plan on trying again some day. :D aNot that I want the alt-right stuff, but if they go on their own server everywhere else just DeFederates them and I never have to see it.
But yeah, LBRY was all in on the Crypto BS. Honestly kind of hoping this is just the tip of the iceberg for the crypto companies playing in the arena.
Sites like this are a non-starter for me until and unless they make seeding whitelist only, so I have control over what I seed like I would with regular torrents. Because otherwise random users can and will end up unknowingly participating in the hosting of child abuse materials, nazi propaganda, and so on. I think this alone makes it nonviable as a youtube alternative at scale.
I’ll take youtube’s privacy violations over that any day.
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Because otherwise random users can and will end up unknowingly participating in the hosting of child abuse materials, nazi propaganda, and so on.
You seem to misunderstand how PT works.
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I personally like Peertube but strongly dislike TILVids. They use Peertube but disable the federation bit. If it is the case that you can follow folks on other instances, it is even more unfair, because they block me from subscribing to content on their platform. Well, it isn’t worse than some other video platforms, but it’s certainly only taking, not sharing like we’re used on the fediverse. I’d use another instance and i recommend everyone else to do so, too. (…As long as this is an alternative. Feel free to use TILVids, it’s certainly better than Odysee or YouTube!)
I actually talked to the admin of TILVids about this. And he realizes the double standard, you can still access things from RSS, but he’s worked hard to get YT content creators to come over and the biggest concern those folks had was protecting their content. So he did turn off Federation to assuage those fears. He does push folks to spin up their own instances when they get big enough and even helps them with that if needed. He doesn’t want TILVids to be a silo either. I definitely understand the feeling and even had to think through that as well.
Thank you for the balanced view. I hope some day we ‘free’ people will stick together and replace that fear with trust in each other (and good moderation tools to ensure it). I’d love to hear those exact ‘fears’ and see if they’re warranted or artificial and this is just the excuse for protectionism. Because I myself am afraid that some of the free ‘alternative’ communities aren’t big and stable enough to bear additional stress and being split up in several fractions. It feels the same with the latest split and defederation happening in/on lemmy with beehaw separating from instances like lemmy.world. That caused quite some confusion with new users and trouble for everyone. I don’t think this is healthy for the platform as a whole. And splitting up any federated platform unnecessarily, will inevitably harm the platform as a whole.
This being said, tilvids must have made some exellent choices, too. They attracted quite an amount of high quality content and seem to be generally thriving. I have to give them that… :-)
On the other hand I never understood why they tried to tie it into the blockchain or cryptocurrency.
What’s so hard to understand about that? EVERY damn problem with the modern Internet goes back to money. People producing content like to be paid. People running the servers like to be paid. And if you don’t want to people flooded with ads, you need to get money from somewhere else. Credit card fees make it impossible to pay small creators, so you need to have a micro-payment layer in between, cryptocurrency provides just that.
cryptocurrency provides just that.
It provides the promise of that.
The reality, not so much
Some folks have stated in other places that Odysee is a separate company, but I remember when Odysee was launched by LBRY. I mean, maybe Odysee will still be around, how are they going to make money without LBC?
I noped out of LBRY when they started down the conspiracy nut route and really stepped out when it was clear they were more interested in crypto than content.
In a 2019 blog post, the LBRY founder, Jeremy Kauffman, touted the protocol as “the most censorship-resistant system to ever exist for the purposes of publishing digital content”
Guess not LMAO
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Unfortunate, I used odysee a lot and no other youtube alternative came close to replacing it. I liked that rhere was a watch on odysee plug-in that would tell me if a youtube creator was on odysee.
IMO Odysee had the best chance of competing somewhat with YouTube, just based on how popular it became. Quite a number of creators mirrored their content onto Odysee, with a few complaining about needing to moderate an additional platform (I think video comments were the problem IIRC)
I’d be curious to know how many still mirrored content there, vs switching to a subscription platform like Floatplane/Nebula, or alternatives like PeerTube.
Yeah comments on odysee were spicy. For me a lot of the linux and infosec channels I watched mirrored there.
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