• anticurrent@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    If it came from an arab or muslim religious figure, western media mainstream media wouldn’t shut up about it for weeks. but an Israeli figure calling for extermination of an entire ethnic group passes under their radar and keep giving moral and legal ammunition to Israel to carry on its genocide in Gaza.

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      Really? Because searching with the roles reversed I definitely see similar statements had been made but only see coverage by ideologically aligned sites:

      https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-787452

      https://www.timesofisrael.com/egyptian-minister-quotes-koran-verse-on-killing-jews/

      https://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/California-Imam-calls-on-Allah-to-annihilate-Jews-500676.

      https://www2.cbn.com/news/world/palestinian-authority-issues-call-murder-jews-tells-islamic-leaders-incite-violence

      https://www.timesofisrael.com/kill-all-jews-urges-hamas-tv-host/

      The only mainstream sources along a similar thread were within days of the Oct 7th attack:

      https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

      https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-terrorists-have-genocide-their-hearts-they-say-so-themselves-opinion-1834360

      So it just looks more like the mainstream press isn’t interested in reporting what religious zealots say outside of very narrow windows of relevance to major recent news stories (and even then rather sparingly).

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        9 months ago

        That’s a lot of very outdated and out of context links you put there.

        Also some there interpret anti semitism very liberally.

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          You are so caught up in your agenda that you aren’t even thinking though what you are saying.

          Would it make more sense to discuss a pattern of behavior in the media by linking to multiple examples over an extended period of time or to only show examples within a narrow period of time?

          Also some there interpret anti semitism very liberally.

          In this case, people call literally tell from the URLs in the comment that your sealioning on this particular point is BS.

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            Except your examples are not examples of anti-Semitism. As everyone knows now Zionists call every criticism of israel anti-semitic.

            Take Ryna Workman, the president of the NYU Law Student Bar Association who sent a message to “y’all” expressing “my unwavering and absolute solidarity with Palestinians in their resistance against oppression toward liberation and self-determination. Israel bears full responsibility for this tremendous loss of life. . … I will not condemn Palestinian resistance.”

            Did this man say “I want to kill all the Jews” according to you?

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              You have a weird hangup here dude. You aren’t at all engaging with my comment about media coverage, but are instead pulling a random excerpt from the opinion piece a few days after the Oct 7th attack to discuss…what?

              The opinion piece doesn’t even call that ‘antisemitism.’ You cut off the lines immediately before it, which makes no claim in line with what you allude:

              The Harvard students hardly stand alone in their abhorrent willingness to cast Hamas as freedom fighters rather than bloodthirsty terrorists. Equally offensive statements blaming Israel and effectively applauding Hamas abound at other universities and colleges too numerous to list. Take Ryna Workman, the president of the NYU Law Student Bar Association…

              The author of that opinion piece is entirely entitled to the opinion that victim blaming terrorist attacks on civilians is offensive to them, just as there’s plenty of opinion pieces to the other direction that denying human rights violations is offensive to a lot of other people. That’s kind of the point of opinion pieces - to express an opinion.

              But the brunt of the examples I provided in the main part of my comment (the many examples of religious leaders calling for the ethnic killing of the people they don’t like) were completely in line with the OP article.

              The last two were simply included as examples of how little the mainstream press covers “these people call for genocide” claims from any side except when relevant to recent news - and to that point one of the only two mainstream pieces was an opinion piece.

              You’re basically making my central point in citing the Newsweek opinion piece’s shortcomings - that contrary to the theory of the person I replied to, there’s little to no coverage of religious figure calls for violence outside of limited sets of articles with clear agendas.

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                You pasted random Hasbara from internet that you didn’t read and called criticism of israel anti-Semitic. If anyone is pushing an agenda it’s you.

                Not condemning Hamas equals calling for the genocide of all Jews?

                Joke articles.

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                  You pasted random Hasbara from internet that you didn’t read and called criticism of israel anti-Semitic.

                  Citation needed, as it appears we’re just making up straw men now. In this comment thread, I literally didn’t even write the word ‘antisemitism’ outside of quoting your use of it.

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          Yeah, that’s not true coverage of the topic… give me a break.

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              In a July 21 lecture posted on the Davis Masjid YouTube channel, Muslim preacher Ammar Shahin spoke in English and Arabic about how all Muslims, not only Palestinians or Syrians, will be called upon to kill all the Jews on “the last day.”

              In a video translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), Shahin also stressed that the Hadith (oral tradition of sayings attributed to the prophet of Islam) does not say where the final battle will take place. “If it is in Palestine,” for example, “or another place,” hinting at the possibility that such a battle could happen in the United States or Europe as well.

              He also prayed that al-Aksa mosque be liberated from “the filth of the Jews.”

              From this link: https://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/California-Imam-calls-on-Allah-to-annihilate-Jews-500676

              In a clip of the kids’ TV show “The Pioneers of Tomorrow,” broadcast on May 2 and uploaded Thursday by the MEMRI media watchdog, the host of the program, a young girl in a hijab, interviews two very young children, one of whom says she hopes to be a police officer like her uncle Ahmad.

              The host asks what policemen do, and, after establishing that they catch criminals, adds that “they shoot Jews, right?” and stresses to her young guest that “you want to be like him.”

              “I will shoot the Jews!” the little child says.

              “All of them?” the host asks.

              “Yes,” the girl says

              “Good,” the host answers.

              In a previous segment, a co-host of the show, an anthropomorphic bee character, talks on the phone with a child in the West Bank Jenin refugee camp, and encourages him, if Jews come into the camp, to “punch them” and “turn their faces into tomatoes in order to liberate Palestine.”

              Yeah, nothing antisemitic here.

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                LOL that’s what I’m talking about… I can see the reply already “that’s not true anti-semitism…”

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                  Were there people that call themselves “Jews” attacking the Al Aqsa mosque and violently shooting Muslims one year ago? Do you think he is referring to that?

                  Considering the first article is from 2017 and the second from 2014, no I don’t think either are referring to the Al Aswa mosque violence in 2023.

                  If they were, that would be really surprising.