• Cummunism [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    i posted about this Nazi and then had a debate with my close friend. He’s like, an anarchist or something, but he has the most lib take on Ukraine.

    I pointed out all the nazis and nazi monuments, he says “what about Americas confederate statues?” I said both could be bad and that moving the goalposts and whatboutism.

    Then he said he supports the right to self determination for Ukraine. So i said what about Donbass aka LPR and DPR. He said that’s a Russian psyop, and it doesnt matter that eastern Ukraine is mostly ethnic Russians. He said he’d support Barcelona leaving Spain if they did it “democratically.” Like fucking lol. #vote

    Of course, he’s an “anti-authoritarian” who basically hates all “dictators” like Stalin, and he doesn’t like China at all either. He also wants the wealthy to get redacted. This is why I can’t take anyone seriously when they just spout off against all “authority.” I think it mostly stems from him hating his mother and still acting like a petulant teenager. Authority isn’t going anywhere, it will always be around in one form or another. And anybody who can’t even critically support current and former AES just sounds like a stupid leftist who will truly get nothing done. You can’t just skip every step and end up at anarchy, that’s an 16 year olds view of anarchism.

    • I sent this to my libertarian-turned-lib friend and he immediately said, “Oh he must have been Ukranian Resistance after the war.” But they said he fought in WWII. “Oh well it was late in the war and he didn’t get convicted of any war crimes.” Libs refuse to believe that any Ukrainian can do wrong throughout history now. Canada is apologizing profusely today because they “didn’t know the guy was a Nazi.”

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        “Russia bad” syndrome is pretty fucking insane, its crazy to see people still clinging to cold war rhetoric, especially being born after the cold war. My “anarchist” friend seems to think NATO is a good thing, like it’s not imperialist or unjust in any way. He’s ok with what happened in Libya. That on top of never find an actually existing Socialist state to support just shows me that libs like him don’t support a real path to revolution. I think my friend is just a stupid idealist, who thinks we can revolution and skip all the other steps and get right to anarchism or pure communism. But that isn’t going to happen unless the revolution is worldwide(which is probably won’t be)

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          When someone claims to be an anarchist but they support NATO its just… ok you SAY you’re against all states but somehow you’re for a military alliance of multiple… states? Thats not anarchism anymore.

          Like I may disagree heavily with anarchists who include AES states in their “I"m against all states” stuff but if they are actually consistent about hating states and hate the imperialist powers too then like, at least thats consistent. But so often its not that way. Being “anti-authoritarian” just ends up being an excuse to follow the US state department line to a T.

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            this stupid nerd was in model UN so i think he still hasnt shaken those brainworms.

            it’s impossible to be revolutionary and anti authoritarian. like ok, so we won’t oppress class traitors etc during or after the revolution, because it’s anti authoritarian? how the fuck couldnt anyone plan to win like that? even just taking all of their money and property would be authoritarianism.

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    Always important to point out that more Ukrainian fought in the Red Army in WW2 than with the Nazi collaborators. Just to piss off the “national liberation” crowd.

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      Not even the words “SS” or “German”. The average unbiased, unpropagandized westerner will read the caption and think “whoa wholesome Ukrainian military unit”

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    I think you guys are being a bit over the top here about his:

    Germans made three political concessions: It was stipulated that the division shall not be used to fight Western Allies, and would be used exclusively to “fight Bolsheviks”. The other concession was in that its oath of allegiance to Hitler was conditional on the fight against Bolshevism.

    Good thing there’s no link between anti communism and fascism

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    There’s actually large Ukrainian exile groups living in Canada, including some linked to OUN-B (Organization Ukrainian Nationalists - Bandera faction)

    https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/the-canadian-bandera-network

    Here’s a Ukrainian-Canadian high school student holding a picture of the genocidal Yaroslav Stetsko

    Here’s a bunch of Ukrainian-Canadian children in front of a giant bust of the genocidal Roman Shukhevych

    Some info about Stetsko/Shukhevych (source: https://archive.md/GZa2H):

    Just goes to show you that the war against fascism is global. There is no “fleeing” to places like Canada to get away from this shit. You must arm yourself and get ready to kill fascists within your life time.

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      Holy shit "people that fought in the nazi army were nazos is Russian propaganda.

      Anybody else notice how this “Russian propoganda” has had a way stronger connection to reality than the libs explanation of everything for the last couple years.

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    Formed in 1943, it was largely destroyed in the battle of Brody

    Completely unsurprising lmfao. The majority of SS volunteer formations absolutely sucked in combat, exceptions being for example “Nordland” but their actions were completely reckless and suicidal, achieving nothing in return. “Galizien” was among the terrible ones, units like these were good in nothing else than “anti partisan activities”, and that often means pure war crimes – hanging suspected partisans, surrendered partisans or general combat with irregular units, where the Germans conducted their war with no rules whatsoever. But when the time to face the actual Red Army came, these units were almost always utterly swept aside by the Soviets. After a good few days of intense beatings, their remnants would pull back and reorganize far from the front, where they resumed “anti partisan activities”. “Galizien” took part in supressing the Slovak National Uprising, which they did by massacring civilians.

    Also being volunteer formations make every single soldier absolutely guilty of every terrible action their units did, if some soldiers were forced into service there might be an argument, but there isn’t, because each one of these fucks knew what they were doing. I am glad the Red Army brought ultimate justice to these pieces of shit, althrough this one might have slipped away.

    And he slipped away to Canada like a fucking rat. And years later, Canada would give this fuck a standing ovation. Canada. Ask Canadian WW2 vets what they thought of the SS, ask any of their Normandy vets what they would do to any prisoner belonging to the “SS Hitlerjugend” division, this unit has a very particular history with Canadians. The SS commited numerous war crimes against Canadian troops in WW2, and these motherfuckers are now giving them standing ovations? Man fuck the west, fuck every bit of this worthless concept. Fuck all liberals, motherfuckers are an insult even to their own history.

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      that often means pure war crimes

      It 100% meant pure war crimes. It’s not like they had any competence for actual police work or any discipline for actual garrison duty or anything else valuable.

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      I wouldn’t say there’s a correlation in knowing the actual history. Those guys are just modest about the Nazi part, but well aware of it. They just want to reduce the attack surface.

      So calling them Nazis and treating as such is fair.