Its fair no neither side. Just because right extremists do bad stuff where you live and left extremists don’t seem to exist or be as prelevant where you live, that doesn’t make the whole political direction (e.g. left-leaning, right-leaning) invalid. That just makes extremists bad. That would be like saying “Staling = bad, therefore every non-condervative = bad”.
It’s not like “the rights” or “the lefts” have tried to overthrow the government. More like: people whose views are so extremely right/left that they are antidemocratic have tried to overthrow democracy.
Just because right extremists do bad stuff where you live and left extremists don’t seem to exist or be as prelevant where you live, that doesn’t make the whole political direction
It definitely does. A conservative in the United States is not the same as a conservative in the EU so in the context of one country, it’s entirely accurate. You can’t project a left/right spectrum globally when each country or group of countries have their own delineations on what constitutes “Liberal” or “Conservative”. One country could have a “conservative” ideology that’s considered entirely “liberal” by another country.
It’s not like “the rights” or “the lefts” have tried to overthrow the government.
Except they did. “The rights” in the U.S. attempted to overthrow the duly elected president elect and install the opposition into power. It was a comically piss poor attempt, but an attempt it was nonetheless.
One country could have a “conservative” ideology that’s considered entirely “liberal” by another country.
… which is why find these generalized statements on political orientations stupid. At least the girl in the post could have said “Republican” or sth.
Except they did. “The rights” in the U.S. attempted to overthrow the duly elected president
No, it’s not “the rights” who did that. It was a group of people from the right side of the spectrum, presumably the more extreme ones who did that. You can’t generalize every condervative person into that group.
(Although the fact that it was actually Trump who called for the attack is highly problematic, even more so the fact that he now is again up as a candidate elected by his party).
… which is why find these generalized statements on political orientations stupid. At least the girl in the post could have said “Republican” or sth.
I’m positive she wasn’t making a generalized statement globally. She’s referencing the Conservative Party in the country she lives in, probably the United States, which is the Republican Party.
No, it’s not “the rights” who did that. It was a group of people from the right side of the spectrum, presumably the more extreme ones who did that.
It was the conservatives (The American right) who did that. And while a minority of them were physically there to perpetrate it, they were in fact supported by the majority of conservatives in the country. Several polls have been done about this and while a majority of Americans condemned the attack, the majority of conservatives have defended it.
You’re trying really hard to split hairs, move the goalposts internationally to muddy the argument, and make incorrect assumptions about the demographics involved but that facts remain what they are.
move the goalposts internationally to muddy the argument
I’ve also realized this (my views on this have been changing while discussing this) and apologize fir that. To explain where I’m coming from:
I fit into the “target” demographic she is referencing. I realize this is a post referring to the USA but I have noticed the polarizing mindset that this portrays also come up, with increasing frequency, here where I live (in Europe). Criticism of the Republican party and specific methodologies are projected onto the label “conservative”, which is then also labeled bad. Posts such as these are written in such a genelarized way that they manage to polarize people from outside of the US too and it is, in my opinion, not obvious that this is referring to the Republican Party’s methodology or their specific demands, rather than their general conservative beliefs.
In general, I don’t agree with these posts trying to make people feel bad for their political opinion or feel peer-pressured (she makes it seem like the whole generation is expected to be non-conservative and those who are are weird outsiders). I find them highly manipulative and obviously polarizing.
Its fair no neither side. Just because right extremists do bad stuff where you live and left extremists don’t seem to exist or be as prelevant where you live, that doesn’t make the whole political direction (e.g. left-leaning, right-leaning) invalid. That just makes extremists bad. That would be like saying “Staling = bad, therefore every non-condervative = bad”.
It’s not like “the rights” or “the lefts” have tried to overthrow the government. More like: people whose views are so extremely right/left that they are antidemocratic have tried to overthrow democracy.
It definitely does. A conservative in the United States is not the same as a conservative in the EU so in the context of one country, it’s entirely accurate. You can’t project a left/right spectrum globally when each country or group of countries have their own delineations on what constitutes “Liberal” or “Conservative”. One country could have a “conservative” ideology that’s considered entirely “liberal” by another country.
Except they did. “The rights” in the U.S. attempted to overthrow the duly elected president elect and install the opposition into power. It was a comically piss poor attempt, but an attempt it was nonetheless.
… which is why find these generalized statements on political orientations stupid. At least the girl in the post could have said “Republican” or sth.
No, it’s not “the rights” who did that. It was a group of people from the right side of the spectrum, presumably the more extreme ones who did that. You can’t generalize every condervative person into that group.
(Although the fact that it was actually Trump who called for the attack is highly problematic, even more so the fact that he now is again up as a candidate elected by his party).
I’m positive she wasn’t making a generalized statement globally. She’s referencing the Conservative Party in the country she lives in, probably the United States, which is the Republican Party.
It was the conservatives (The American right) who did that. And while a minority of them were physically there to perpetrate it, they were in fact supported by the majority of conservatives in the country. Several polls have been done about this and while a majority of Americans condemned the attack, the majority of conservatives have defended it.
You’re trying really hard to split hairs, move the goalposts internationally to muddy the argument, and make incorrect assumptions about the demographics involved but that facts remain what they are.
I’ve also realized this (my views on this have been changing while discussing this) and apologize fir that. To explain where I’m coming from:
I fit into the “target” demographic she is referencing. I realize this is a post referring to the USA but I have noticed the polarizing mindset that this portrays also come up, with increasing frequency, here where I live (in Europe). Criticism of the Republican party and specific methodologies are projected onto the label “conservative”, which is then also labeled bad. Posts such as these are written in such a genelarized way that they manage to polarize people from outside of the US too and it is, in my opinion, not obvious that this is referring to the Republican Party’s methodology or their specific demands, rather than their general conservative beliefs.
In general, I don’t agree with these posts trying to make people feel bad for their political opinion or feel peer-pressured (she makes it seem like the whole generation is expected to be non-conservative and those who are are weird outsiders). I find them highly manipulative and obviously polarizing.