Alright, well, I suppose that should be our sign to call it quits. I hope every good thing imaginable will happen to you. I honestly believe that life for trans people is going to continue on this recent upward trend for quite some time.
All that port isn’t helping your upper body strength, I imagine! Willpower is a muscle that runs through everything you do. Exercise it! (Or don’t… it’s your life after all, live how you want to!)
Never forget how incredible, undoubtedly amazing you are!
They’re awful. But online comments aren’t about the hardline conservatives, they’re about people who might see dissent to reactionary views and start asking questions.
Ugh I fucking hate it though. “Debate me, debate me no I won’t do independent research that challenges my biases debate me now or I’ll voice a stance against you undefended”. They’re vegan and I think a woman too, so you fucking know they’d be exhausted if someone started doing this to them about either of those things.
Alas, that’s the problem. Empathy is often too weak, intersectional solidarity is necessary. Until every cage and every chain is broken we’re just all damned to this pointless struggle, gaining privilege and then terrified that the next struggle will take what little we won.
Don’t patronise me. My lived experience is trans tolerance massively backsliding since the 2000s.
I never had anyone ban me from sport for example. People like you are part of the problem, I don’t get the luxury of stepping out of debates for the freedoms of people like me because the audience will simply see an echo chamber reenforcing their ignorant biasies.
you are not a friend, you are not an ally, you are a political obsticle.
Sounds lonely. Sorry they tricked you into this mindset. I hope you find a way out. There’s are lots of us nice people out there, I’m sorry they took us away from you.
For fucks sake look at yourself, own your damned opinions. you want trans people to face more barriers to a full and happy life, you lend your voice to a crowd that chants for our extermination, you want policies that would leave trans women at least unable to compete. Your friend felt she couldn’t wrestle because of some silly policy at a school that didn’t require HRT? No trans woman on HRT would be able to compete with men. you wonder how her life might be different? what scholarships she might have got? you want that fate for all of us, whether it’s your intention or not.
You are cruel and discriminatory, thoughtless in your callous disregard launching your uninformed opinions into the public arena at a time that’s rather fraught. you have the privilege to do so and you use it cruelly and recklessly. No different to those men “just asking questions” about abortion rights, or gender pay gaps. No different from carnists sealioning about food intolerances or desert islands to distract from factory farming.
You are hurting people with your privilege. You can either take a look inside yourself and reflect, wonder why your behaviour doesn’t line up with the good and sensitive person you hold yourself to be. Or you can dismiss the pain you’re causing as oversensitive internet nutters being extremists and blithely continue.
It’s your choice, you’ve made a heroic change on at least one issue standing up for the vulnerable in the face of ridicule and the knowledge that you were raised to be party yo great harm. Do you have the courage for another? m
I don’t want policies that exclude you. I want policies that work for everyone. I don’t want your extermination. I want everyone to live in peace however they were born.
Yeah, she didn’t want to wrestle against someone who went through male puberty, someone who had been dating a girl a year prior in a straight relationship. Someone who got into the league on a single condition. They checked a box. I don’t blame her for not wanting that, and it isn’t fair that she had to make that decision. It’s not. The fact that you can’t admit that is absolute proof that you are unable to consider the entire situation and the real world. What happened to her was a result of an over-compensating faculty that was acting completely out of fear. They made a mistake.
I don’t make policy, believe it or not. I am just a random person. I get that you are having a tough time, but it’s not my fault. You can make fake accusations all you want, but that won’t do anything to change the fact that I’ve done nothing to hurt you or any other trans person. You can make up situations in your head all you want, but that doesn’t make it any more real. It’s not going to help you or anyone one else to create monsters out of everyone who isn’t exactly like you. That’s bigotry, and it is disgusting. It is appalling that you do not know better, although it is possible that it is not your fault, and you’ve simply been tricked. If that’s the case, then I hope you find a way out of this mindset. The world is so much bigger than you.
On your point about factory farming. I’ve been vegan for years due to factory farms. I stand up for my beliefs with my actions. I don’t even use soap that isn’t vegan. You can create a false world if you like, but I suspect you will be much happier in the real one.
Anyway, I’ve said my piece you suck on this issue, I hope you cool off and reflect. You’re clearly someone who is willing to change their mind and be empathic and thoughtful.
I’ve not been shown any way in which I’m wrong. Just a bunch of pre-packaged senseless ranting about how I support people who chant for your extermination. I understand that you have probably talked to people that are how you are describing me. They have nothing to do with me though. This is an issue of you mistakenly lumping a bunch of people together because that is what you are used to doing or something.
If there are people who want trans people out of sport because trans people are icky and they want us to die, and you want trans people out of sport because you don’t understand hormones and want simple blanket rules that result in exclusion, you support their political goals. They will use you, because that is how they work.
you are not being discriminated against, you have spent longer arguing with me than you have reading about endocrinology or studies on trans performance at sports. That’s lazy and shitty behaviour. Educate yourself ffs.
Nope. I don’t want trans people out of sports. You made that up. I repeatedly said that I don’t want to exclude trans people from sports or to take away any rights from anyone, that’s just something you came up with because you need to simplify things or something. No big deal. If you are curious about my stance for real, you can go look through my comments. I guess it is just a bit tricky to understand that there are people who exist outside of the boxes you’ve been conditioned to think everyone has to exist in.
On a related note, this is what it looks like when someone is thoughtful and explaining trans issues without just assuming that everyone different from themself has to be evil or whatever(most likely you have some fundamental religion in your past that you haven’t managed to completely shake yet).
I hope it helps, although I suspect your issue has a bit more to do with self-reflection(this is often the case when someone is senslessly attacking people and making up other people’s POVs), not something that you can fix simply by seeing examples of someone a bit more mature. At any rate, nice chat, good luck, stay warm.
Alright, well, I suppose that should be our sign to call it quits. I hope every good thing imaginable will happen to you. I honestly believe that life for trans people is going to continue on this recent upward trend for quite some time.
All that port isn’t helping your upper body strength, I imagine! Willpower is a muscle that runs through everything you do. Exercise it! (Or don’t… it’s your life after all, live how you want to!)
Never forget how incredible, undoubtedly amazing you are!
you’re a condescending asshole to everyone then
They’re awful. But online comments aren’t about the hardline conservatives, they’re about people who might see dissent to reactionary views and start asking questions.
Ugh I fucking hate it though. “Debate me, debate me no I won’t do independent research that challenges my biases debate me now or I’ll voice a stance against you undefended”. They’re vegan and I think a woman too, so you fucking know they’d be exhausted if someone started doing this to them about either of those things.
Alas, that’s the problem. Empathy is often too weak, intersectional solidarity is necessary. Until every cage and every chain is broken we’re just all damned to this pointless struggle, gaining privilege and then terrified that the next struggle will take what little we won.
Don’t patronise me. My lived experience is trans tolerance massively backsliding since the 2000s.
I never had anyone ban me from sport for example. People like you are part of the problem, I don’t get the luxury of stepping out of debates for the freedoms of people like me because the audience will simply see an echo chamber reenforcing their ignorant biasies.
you are not a friend, you are not an ally, you are a political obsticle.
Sounds lonely. Sorry they tricked you into this mindset. I hope you find a way out. There’s are lots of us nice people out there, I’m sorry they took us away from you.
“They”?
For fucks sake look at yourself, own your damned opinions. you want trans people to face more barriers to a full and happy life, you lend your voice to a crowd that chants for our extermination, you want policies that would leave trans women at least unable to compete. Your friend felt she couldn’t wrestle because of some silly policy at a school that didn’t require HRT? No trans woman on HRT would be able to compete with men. you wonder how her life might be different? what scholarships she might have got? you want that fate for all of us, whether it’s your intention or not.
You are cruel and discriminatory, thoughtless in your callous disregard launching your uninformed opinions into the public arena at a time that’s rather fraught. you have the privilege to do so and you use it cruelly and recklessly. No different to those men “just asking questions” about abortion rights, or gender pay gaps. No different from carnists sealioning about food intolerances or desert islands to distract from factory farming.
You are hurting people with your privilege. You can either take a look inside yourself and reflect, wonder why your behaviour doesn’t line up with the good and sensitive person you hold yourself to be. Or you can dismiss the pain you’re causing as oversensitive internet nutters being extremists and blithely continue.
It’s your choice, you’ve made a heroic change on at least one issue standing up for the vulnerable in the face of ridicule and the knowledge that you were raised to be party yo great harm. Do you have the courage for another? m
I don’t want policies that exclude you. I want policies that work for everyone. I don’t want your extermination. I want everyone to live in peace however they were born.
Yeah, she didn’t want to wrestle against someone who went through male puberty, someone who had been dating a girl a year prior in a straight relationship. Someone who got into the league on a single condition. They checked a box. I don’t blame her for not wanting that, and it isn’t fair that she had to make that decision. It’s not. The fact that you can’t admit that is absolute proof that you are unable to consider the entire situation and the real world. What happened to her was a result of an over-compensating faculty that was acting completely out of fear. They made a mistake.
I don’t make policy, believe it or not. I am just a random person. I get that you are having a tough time, but it’s not my fault. You can make fake accusations all you want, but that won’t do anything to change the fact that I’ve done nothing to hurt you or any other trans person. You can make up situations in your head all you want, but that doesn’t make it any more real. It’s not going to help you or anyone one else to create monsters out of everyone who isn’t exactly like you. That’s bigotry, and it is disgusting. It is appalling that you do not know better, although it is possible that it is not your fault, and you’ve simply been tricked. If that’s the case, then I hope you find a way out of this mindset. The world is so much bigger than you.
On your point about factory farming. I’ve been vegan for years due to factory farms. I stand up for my beliefs with my actions. I don’t even use soap that isn’t vegan. You can create a false world if you like, but I suspect you will be much happier in the real one.
Anyway, I’ve said my piece you suck on this issue, I hope you cool off and reflect. You’re clearly someone who is willing to change their mind and be empathic and thoughtful.
I think you should reread my comment. I am highlighting how your veganism shows you are better than this.
I’ve not been shown any way in which I’m wrong. Just a bunch of pre-packaged senseless ranting about how I support people who chant for your extermination. I understand that you have probably talked to people that are how you are describing me. They have nothing to do with me though. This is an issue of you mistakenly lumping a bunch of people together because that is what you are used to doing or something.
If there are people who want trans people out of sport because trans people are icky and they want us to die, and you want trans people out of sport because you don’t understand hormones and want simple blanket rules that result in exclusion, you support their political goals. They will use you, because that is how they work.
you are not being discriminated against, you have spent longer arguing with me than you have reading about endocrinology or studies on trans performance at sports. That’s lazy and shitty behaviour. Educate yourself ffs.
Nope. I don’t want trans people out of sports. You made that up. I repeatedly said that I don’t want to exclude trans people from sports or to take away any rights from anyone, that’s just something you came up with because you need to simplify things or something. No big deal. If you are curious about my stance for real, you can go look through my comments. I guess it is just a bit tricky to understand that there are people who exist outside of the boxes you’ve been conditioned to think everyone has to exist in.
On a related note, this is what it looks like when someone is thoughtful and explaining trans issues without just assuming that everyone different from themself has to be evil or whatever(most likely you have some fundamental religion in your past that you haven’t managed to completely shake yet).
https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/10165165
I hope it helps, although I suspect your issue has a bit more to do with self-reflection(this is often the case when someone is senslessly attacking people and making up other people’s POVs), not something that you can fix simply by seeing examples of someone a bit more mature. At any rate, nice chat, good luck, stay warm.