Shouldn’t have said anything, now I’m getting paragraphs upon paragraphs about Putler and how the West has a moral obligation to prolong the war in Ukraine for as long as possible sad-boi

Also while apparently it can’t be denied that the far right has grown somewhat stronger in Ukraine, the Ukrainian military had to rely on militias such as Azov so they wouldn’t lose, we should not worry because they haven’t seen that much electoral success

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    Is a reactionary dictatorship really preferred to neoliberalism

    Ukraine is a fascist neo nazi dictatorship, russia is preferred.

    We’re communists here, heres how marx viewed inter bourgeoisie conflicts

    ‘In that house one never hesitated to take a stand against the conflicts in which one could recognize “the different fractions of the bourgeoisie.” Neutrality was abhorred. […] Marx hunted neutral souls to the gates of hell’

    (machine translated) from “Gespräche mit Marx und Engels”, section writte by Charles Longuet, Marx’s son in law

    Most people here consider russia to be the lesser of two evils, since it generally does not fill itself with nazi iconography, does not ally with the united states, and does not persecute national minorities to any extent like ukraine does

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      Denying the existence Ukrainian language or culture sounds like persecution to me. Like I absolutely agree Ukraine is an awful country, but Im not convinced Russia is better.

      As far as I understand the Nazis are in the military of Ukraine, not the actual government. Though banning Hungarian and Russian in schools iirc is something a nazi could do… Do you have any sources I could read up on?

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        it really depends what you mean by “not the actual government”, what kind of government enlists nazis into its military and makes entire large battalions of them and gives them large combat roles like the defence of key citys (azovstal etc) without being nazis themselves. When zelensky was asked what he thought of the praise of Bandera, a nazi collaborator that massacred jews in ww2 he said

        “There are indisputable heroes. Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain part of Ukrainians, and this is a normal and cool thing. He was one of those who defended the freedom of Ukraine.”

        https://www.lecanardrépublicain.net/IMG/article_PDF/Volodymyr-Zelensky-on-Stepan-Bandera-He-was-one-of-those_a1006.pdf

        I dont know about you, but me personally i would never call a jew hunting nazi an indisputable hero unless i myself was a nazi.

        Moving on what are youre sources on denying the existance of langauge and culture, heres a statement from putin himself saying persecution on such basis is unjust https://tass.com/politics/1523075. (in response to people being unjustly jailed on such basis, my point being this not that attitude is non existant, it certainly exists, its that it doesnt exist at the very top level, the seat of power as it were)

        Finally, if you think my sources are bullshit or that you cant trust the words of the leaders we can reduce it to its simplest form. If russia and ukraine were equally evil in their actions, russia would still be the lesser evil from my point of view due to me being a communist. Russia winning the war destablises the west, and destabilisation of the west increases the chances of communist movements (and non communist national liberation movements) being more successful in the global south. We can see such national liberation movements in the sahel states right now, who are throwing off the chains of their imperial masters more and more. A world where the US cannot win is a world where more such movements flourish.

        And if you say well russia will become the imperial hegemon, and that will be just as bad as the us, that is an entire different discussion that I am not capable to disprove as it would require showing that russia does not act as an imperial power under lenins definition of imperialism, which would require economic analysis that im not capable of. Its my inclination that russia does not have the power or the ambition to become a unitary hegemon, I cannot imagine a world where the US is dethroned from hegemon and russia ascends to hegemon, while china, with 500 times the industrial capacity of russia, just sits there.