• itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      • Palestinians are often “arrested” on dubious grounds and held without trial
      • They are given no legal representation and often tortured
      • Not much to add here, except that proper medical treatment is one hell of a lot harder in a place that’s actively being bombed
      • There’s no attempt at habilitation being made towards Palestinian prisoners. They’re not even given a due process.

      source for the first two

      another source, pre-Oct7

      another source about the torture

      So, how are they not hostages?

    • merthyr1831@lemmy.world
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      The Israeli prisoners were detained and arrested.

      The Israelis held by Hamas have been given many more rights than the average Palestinian prisoner.

      This is an outright lie, Palestinians are being amputated because of zipties to their limbs

      Again, Israel has no interest in “rehabilitating” its hostages, whereas Hamas is specifically offering to release theirs.


      At worst this is hostages on both sides. Your assessment only proves how much more hospitable Hamas have been to its captives than Israel, even at a time of war and famine brought on by Israel’s onslaught.

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      Point 1 l: that is just semantics so not really relevant. Hamas could have easily said that they arrested the Israeli hostages for a crime and it wouldn’t have changed anything.

      Point 2: I’m not sure that the Palestinians held without charge have any functional rights.

      Point 3: That’s just an assumption on both sides of this conflict. Hamas do have access to medical professionals and it is in their best interest to keep the hostages alive. Obviously, Israel does also have access to medical professionals but I’m not sure that the Palestinians have free access to them either. I’d hope that Israel would give medical attention when it’s needed but I don’t know.

      Point 4: That’s just rubbish as a general definition of prisoner around the world and the Palestinian prisoners are definitely being used in the negotiations.

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          Is that any different than depicting the slaughter that’s occurred since then, with a body count over 10x higher, as ‘Israel arresting Palestinians?’

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            Was somebody classifying this war as nothing but arrests, or is that a mischaracterization? Be honest with me now.

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              The only person being dishonest here is you. The slaughtering of 1000 civilians at a music festival was abhorrent, and the slaughtering of 30,000 more civilians in response is 30x as abhorrent. Calling the capture and torture of individuals as “arrests” makes you no better than Cheney and Bush with their “enhanced interrogation” bullshit.

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                I get you are passionate but do you think there is a chance you should check to make sure you are responding to the correct people?

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      Israel forcibly dragged Palestinians out of their homes and took them to unknown locations. Arrested versus abducted is a distinction without a difference.

      Israel isn’t rehabilitating anyone in West Bank or Gaza, they are keeping them in cramped rooms with no access to lawyers or families and are held months without charges.

      Your comment just doesn’t reflect reality. Ben-Gvir invited reporters to see prisoners and bragged that he’s intentionally starving them in captivity as revenge for hostages.

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      Abduction and arrest are identical. An arrest is abduction by the state renamed to honor their monopoly of violence.

      Prisoners and hostages have as much rights as the holding entity says they do.

      This is you just guessing on how Hamas handles their prisoners. Also isn’t necessarily the same. I can tell you as a former Texas department of criminal justice officer that denying inmates medical checkups is common. Both officially and unofficially. There’s an inmate in solitary who hasn’t had a checkup hes been asking for for a year because no one who interacts with him bothers to actually do it. Go fuck yourself with that one

      Loooooooool that’s fucking hilarious. Go to prison and experience your rehabilitation bitch