• PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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        6 months ago

        Sorry that you think doubling down on genocide and starting a few new ones is an acceptable policy for voters in the free world to support.

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          Where have i said that I support doubling down? People thinkthat their vote doesn’t matter as is. And asking someone who is already apathetic to voting to vote for someone who supports genocide isn’t going to make them want to vote any more. It’s a rigged game so they won’t play. You should be mad at Biden for not trying to engage with those voters and instead locking them up and using police violence against them.

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            Where have i said that I support doubling down?

            There are two choices in this coming election, effectively. Trump or Biden.

            If one loses, the other wins.

            You want to guess what contributing to Biden’s loss will cause?

            Go ahead. Take a few swings.

            And asking someone who is already apathetic to voting to vote for someone who supports genocide isn’t going to make them want to vote any more

            Someone who is already apathetic to voting is already not a very good target for voting outreach. You’re not really making “Have the least reliable voting bloc since we started tracking such things be the lynchpin of the strategy to defeat fascism” sound any more reasonable than it was previously.

            It’s a rigged game so they won’t play.

            If they think it’s a rigged game, what benefit will appealing to their desired policies have?

            You should be mad at Biden for not trying to engage with those voters and instead locking them up and using police violence against them.

            Oh God, not this line again. It doesn’t matter that Biden at no point has advocated the use of police violence against peaceful protesters, he’s definitely the one behind local police continuing the policy of being absolute shitheads, as they have for the past [checks notes] century and a half of US policing.

            Thanks, Biden.

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              Yes, there are two choices. So i support people who are trying to make the less terrible one better. Meanwhile you want people to just shit up and support genocide.

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                Meanwhile you want people to just shit up and support genocide.

                Oh, is that what I want? I guess calling the Israeli genocide a genocide and advocating for the total removal of US aid from Israel is support of genocide.

                Or is it because I don’t regard Trump as winning as a reasonable alternative to Biden that makes me a genocide supporter?

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                  No one is saying trump winning is preferable. They are saying it is inevitable if Biden continues down this path.

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                    No one is saying trump winning is preferable.

                    I can find you people saying exactly that while claiming to be left-wing.

                    They are saying it is inevitable if Biden continues down this path.

                    Their proposal for course-correction is “If Biden takes up a position that is currently unpopular with the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, his numbers will improve”

                    That’s not very compelling.

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                My payment is me and people I care about not being rounded up, tortured, expelled, or executed at some point during a second Trump administration. It’s very valuable to me.

                I don’t give a fuck that the DNC is filled with listless, lazy, complacent, corrupt shitheads, because ‘punishing’ them for that by putting a metaphorical gun to my head and blowing my brains out just doesn’t seem like a good calculus, especially since fascist regimes always have a place for listless, lazy, complacent, corrupt shitheads anyway, so it wouldn’t be much of a punishment for the worst amongst them.