Family members of Uvalde school shooting victims also said they're filing lawsuits against dozens of Texas Department of Public Safety officers and Uvalde's school district.
There’s nothing wrong with being scared of a bigger, more accurate, more powerful gun with more ammunition. If they truly were outgunned, then retreat was the best option (otherwise, officers would have died and that would have forced a retreat while carrying a slain officer around, a much harder task). Shit gets bad to worse in a combat situation if you don’t outgun the opponent.
Go to war? We can’t do that, the other side have guns!
Soldier/Warrior-cop mentality is fucking toxic bro. I don’t accept it from conservatives, and I certainly don’t accept it from the hypocritical liberals who talk both sides on this issue.
At least the conservatives are consistent with the warrior-cop mentality and do what they believe in.
Go to war?
Cops don’t go to war. In most cases, cops deal with rowdy teenagers or people running naked across school property or other such more typical day-to-day cases. They aren’t (and shouldn’t) be equipped to deal with armed shooters.
Cops who study warrior / soldier mentality become too mean, gain the us-vs-them mentality and fuck shit up. Its one of the biggest problems in our country, and I outright refuse anyone who makes war-analogies to cop situations.
At least the conservatives are consistent with the warrior-cop mentality and do what they believe in.
Looks like my comment flew right over your head if you went ahead and posted this unironically — unless you believe the people, and especially the police, of Uvalde, Texas are bleeding-heart liberals.
Doesn’t matter if they’re conservative or liberal. What matters is training, mindset and culture. And warrior-cop mentality goes deeper than just politics. The training, propaganda and expectations play a huge role in it. You’re participating in the warrior-cop mentality as you compare cops to a warzone. Period. And furthermore, expecting them to use lethal force with high efficacy.
Uvalde was a chance for liberals to point out that beat-cops are in fact, just underpaid, undertrained public servants who are only human. Expecting heroic super-soldier like action in the face of the most horrific violence they’ve ever seen in their life is too much. And also further leads to the degeneration of our society. Seriously, talk to most cops, the hyperviolent situations like Uvalde are exceptionally rare. Most of their day-to-day complaints are about bullshit tasks (parents calling in cops to be the “bad guy” and yell at their kids, because parents are too scared to discipline their own kids. Etc. etc).
Yes, I’m saying this unironically. If Liberals really want to push cops away from warrior-cop mentality, they can start here and now. And I really think liberals can capture a pro-Police segment in a way that conservatives cannot if they just thought about how the politics of that would go. Liberals used to have a pro-cop anti-gun argument (powerful guns are cop-killers), but today that argument has been erased by modern short-thinking liberals.
But sure, go pretend that any of these politics here are working out in the liberal’s favor. Its actually a big hypocritical move IMO to anyone following the cop-argument trends.
In any case, I’ll continue to point out the insanity, of both sides, here. Conservatives are extremely anti-union but nominally pro-cop, and thus turn a blind eye to cop-based organizations like the FOP. Its clearly just politics of us vs them being divided up into fully arbitrary delineations. Overall, I think the liberal anti-cop movement is problematic, especially to a political party operating under the theory of strong government, public service, etc. etc.
I regret to inform you that gun control is not a panacea. I live in a country with strict gun control and we still get active shooters (albeit less often than the US). Part of the job of Police is to put themselves in harm’s way to stop those people. If they don’t, who will?
It doesn’t make sense for every municipality to have a SWAT team. Uvalde has a population of 15,000 people. Do they really need a pseudo-army platoon on standby for these once-in-a-century events?
They waited for SWAT anyway before doing anything in this situation.
The main problem is that SWAT took too long after arriving before they did anything. But tiny ass underfunded minimally paid local cops did the best they could until SWAT arrived. I posit that cops are not supposed to go in vs threats that are armed to the level of assault rifles and body armor. The shooter in Uvalde qualified, its more firepower than cops are honestly equipped to deal with and that’s perfectly fine.
I mean, cops getting outgunned by “somebody”. The real issue is the proliferation of high-power AR15 rifles in our society. But I don’t want cops marching around with full sized loaded rifles on a day-to-day basis. Nor do I want to pay for (or pay the psychological costs associated with) the training to use those weapons.
Go to war? We can’t do that, the other side have guns!
Soldier/Warrior-cop mentality is fucking toxic bro. I don’t accept it from conservatives, and I certainly don’t accept it from the hypocritical liberals who talk both sides on this issue.
At least the conservatives are consistent with the warrior-cop mentality and do what they believe in.
Cops don’t go to war. In most cases, cops deal with rowdy teenagers or people running naked across school property or other such more typical day-to-day cases. They aren’t (and shouldn’t) be equipped to deal with armed shooters.
Cops who study warrior / soldier mentality become too mean, gain the us-vs-them mentality and fuck shit up. Its one of the biggest problems in our country, and I outright refuse anyone who makes war-analogies to cop situations.
Looks like my comment flew right over your head if you went ahead and posted this unironically — unless you believe the people, and especially the police, of Uvalde, Texas are bleeding-heart liberals.
Doesn’t matter if they’re conservative or liberal. What matters is training, mindset and culture. And warrior-cop mentality goes deeper than just politics. The training, propaganda and expectations play a huge role in it. You’re participating in the warrior-cop mentality as you compare cops to a warzone. Period. And furthermore, expecting them to use lethal force with high efficacy.
Uvalde was a chance for liberals to point out that beat-cops are in fact, just underpaid, undertrained public servants who are only human. Expecting heroic super-soldier like action in the face of the most horrific violence they’ve ever seen in their life is too much. And also further leads to the degeneration of our society. Seriously, talk to most cops, the hyperviolent situations like Uvalde are exceptionally rare. Most of their day-to-day complaints are about bullshit tasks (parents calling in cops to be the “bad guy” and yell at their kids, because parents are too scared to discipline their own kids. Etc. etc).
Yes, I’m saying this unironically. If Liberals really want to push cops away from warrior-cop mentality, they can start here and now. And I really think liberals can capture a pro-Police segment in a way that conservatives cannot if they just thought about how the politics of that would go. Liberals used to have a pro-cop anti-gun argument (powerful guns are cop-killers), but today that argument has been erased by modern short-thinking liberals.
But sure, go pretend that any of these politics here are working out in the liberal’s favor. Its actually a big hypocritical move IMO to anyone following the cop-argument trends.
In any case, I’ll continue to point out the insanity, of both sides, here. Conservatives are extremely anti-union but nominally pro-cop, and thus turn a blind eye to cop-based organizations like the FOP. Its clearly just politics of us vs them being divided up into fully arbitrary delineations. Overall, I think the liberal anti-cop movement is problematic, especially to a political party operating under the theory of strong government, public service, etc. etc.
I regret to inform you that gun control is not a panacea. I live in a country with strict gun control and we still get active shooters (albeit less often than the US). Part of the job of Police is to put themselves in harm’s way to stop those people. If they don’t, who will?
SWAT teams. People who are actually trained and specialized in this role.
Regular cops shouldn’t be SWAT trained or that violent.
It doesn’t make sense for every municipality to have a SWAT team. Uvalde has a population of 15,000 people. Do they really need a pseudo-army platoon on standby for these once-in-a-century events?
They waited for SWAT anyway before doing anything in this situation.
The main problem is that SWAT took too long after arriving before they did anything. But tiny ass underfunded minimally paid local cops did the best they could until SWAT arrived. I posit that cops are not supposed to go in vs threats that are armed to the level of assault rifles and body armor. The shooter in Uvalde qualified, its more firepower than cops are honestly equipped to deal with and that’s perfectly fine.
I mean, cops getting outgunned by “somebody”. The real issue is the proliferation of high-power AR15 rifles in our society. But I don’t want cops marching around with full sized loaded rifles on a day-to-day basis. Nor do I want to pay for (or pay the psychological costs associated with) the training to use those weapons.
Cops have been heavily armed since the 90s when they were legitimately outgunned.