Hello dads,

I’ll be a dad myself shortly, and it’s entirely planned, we discussed the idea and then worked towards making it happen. My wife is over the moon and loving the whole process and I’m struggling to see it as a positive change. All I’m seeing is more bills and tasks.

I want to be excited and enthusiastic during the pregnancy (and of course afterwards) but I’m struggling to see this as a positive change for our next - at least - 5 years.

It’s causing some stress between my wife and I, when really I’d much prefer we were bonding now in preparation for the stress our relationship is going to need to endure after the baby arrives.

I guess this is partly just venting, I feel like anyone I know that I might say this to, would think I’m a bad person considering it was entirely planned and now I’m not feeling it after its too late to undo, but if anyone has some ideas on how I can focus more on the positives (I do see them… watching their personality growing, seeing the world from their fresh perspective, a sense of investment in the future, etc. I just struggle to focus on them) of this and less on the incoming bills and sleepless night and relationship stress, so my wife and I can bond, it’d mean a lot to me.

I’m also concerned that I’m seeing the baby as a problem instead of a… Source of joy? and that this might mean I don’t really have a natural parental instinct, so I won’t love it like I should, but instead see it as a series of chores and costs and problems.

  • subversive_dev@lemmy.ml
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    7 months ago

    They say a woman becomes a mother when she first feels the baby stirring in the womb, but a man only becomes a father once he sees the baby for the first time.

    I’m not a bio parent myself, but if that stereotype is true I think you should expect some emotional discordance during this phase.

    I think you aren’t wrong to be worried, but I think if you focused your mind and energy on nesting and getting excited with your wife, it would help bridge the gap.

    I’m 100% sure biology will win out and you will be changed forever when the baby does come

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      7 months ago

      This is exactly right. It may not even be when you see your child’s face for the first time. It took a while for myself. But it happened and I don’t want to go back.

      Just enjoy this time with your wife.

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      7 months ago

      I’m 100% sure biology will win out and you will be changed forever when the baby does come

      Except that isn’t always the case.

      Which isn’t to discourage OP or anyone else, but to be realistic.
      Postpartum depression is real, as are many other mental health and other issues that can impact how and even if a parent can bond with their biological child.
      Far too many parents never do (or do to some extent, but resent their child for “ruining their life”).
      Ignoring or minimising these very real and very serious problems only serves to make those who struggle with them feel worse, and less able to reach out for help (because if biology should “100% win out” but it doesn’t for them, then they feel like they must be “broken”, rather than biology simply not being 100% certain of anything) which in turn often leads to neglectful and/or abusive relationships with their kids (and others).

      It sounds like OP, like most people tbf, especially those facing major life changes, could benefit from therapy to help prepare for and maintain not only the parent-child relationship, but their relationship with their partner, too.

  • curiousaur@reddthat.com
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    7 months ago

    Father of a 2 year old chiming in. The saying that a woman loves the child at conception, the father falls in love when he meets them, is so true.

    I felt the same way. So unenthusiastic. Going through the motions just to be supportive. Now I love this kid more than I thought I could love anything. It’s so fun being dad, and it gives you a whole new life to experience the world through all over over again.

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      7 months ago

      I’m chilling with my 16 year old daughter. She’s awesome. I’m always thrilled to know such an amazing human.

      But babies are boring and messy.

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    7 months ago

    Father of a 1,5 year old here. First off, I was kind of the same. But maybe we didn’t have a huge difference in our feelings with the wife. As many have wrote, holding the child for the first time is really something, then her first smile, and the first day spent together just the 2 of us, hearing “Daddy” when you get home…

    I understand the anxiety but you shouldn’t get ahead of yourself and think about the problems. One good reasons for this from our example: our child sleeps from 9 to 7 with walking up just a few sips of water once or twice. I would never guessed this before and would have been silly to be anxious about it.

    You’ll be fine, just be sure to support your wife in this time and the feelings will come.

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    7 months ago

    Your feeling is completely rational. Your life will be more difficult for the next 4 years. And after that it will still be difficult but you’ll just kind of be better equipped to manage it.

    When your kid is born, you will get a nice hit of oxytocin for a few weeks. It will help a bit but don’t expect to fall instantly in love with a newborn who doesn’t smile at you and sucks all the energy out of your wife. For me I really fell in love with my kid around 9 months, making her giggle.

    Find an outlet. For me it was to run a mile and then knock one out in the shower. In total the run and shower took only 20-25 minutes. Useful for later term pregnancy and also the first 6 months with a newborn. Anyway you need a way to reset yourself into a positive state.

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    7 months ago

    I’m also concerned that I’m seeing the baby as a problem instead of a… Source of joy?

    Since your kid isn’t born yet, there’s not really much joy you can get from them. Even when they’re very very young they don’t give you any smiles or do anything funny. The “joy” comes later, and boy it’s worth it, at least for me.

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    7 months ago

    Babies are a great source of stress and responsibility, it’s natural to feel some pressure. You’re not a bad person for doing what dads are prone to doing: looking for a problem so you can solve it.

    However, you need to set all that aside. Your job right now is to chill out and be supportive. What will be will be, the challenges ahead won’t be easier to tackle by stressing your wife out and straining your relationship. The practical response to what you’re feeling is to let it go and just be along for the ride for a while.

    All that aside, having a baby may come with extra challenges but it also comes with tremendous benefits. Dads lose out on all the good pregnancy hormones and emotions and it’s hard to see the baby as real until it’s in your hands; but the moment that happens your life changes for the better in so many ways.

    It is impossible to describe the moment when you hold your first child for the first time but it is a life changing experience.

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    7 months ago

    There’s a lot of great advice here, and I was definitely in your boat, faking it for my wife’s sake quite a bit.

    This is an important takeaway: what you are feeling right now is not unusual.

    But seeing my daughter, holding her for the first time, watching her grow, learn, develop a personality… her first “dada”, mush mouthed “love you”, her big grin every morning when she sees me, when she hops off mama’s lap and crawls over to me babbling “dadadada” then a few minutes later crawls back to mama and then tries to get us to sit in a way where she can be touching both of us… there are so many moments nearly every day that make it all worth it.


    I think your main issue is how you’re framing this in your mind (or at least how you’ve framed it here) and how I assume you’ve framed this with your wife.

    This isn’t about whether or not you made the “right” choice. It’s far too late for that now anyway, and framing it that way carries a shit ton of subtext for your wife that you probably aren’t cognizant of.

    Do you not want a kid? Do you not want to be a father? Do you not want to be doing this with her? Do you just want to not have responsibilities? Do you feel like you were pressured into this? Is this some resentment towards her? Will you resent the kid?

    These are only some of the really fucking negative ideas that could be put into her head when you say you aren’t sure you made the right choice.

    Or is this what’s going on (the far more likely situation with most future fathers): You’re scared as shit about everything coming towards you, you’re scared about the amount of work this will be, concerned about how this will effect your relationship with your wife, worried about how your life will change in ways you can’t even imagine from this side, lamenting the loss of free time and freedom you see coming, worried you might not be ready to handle this or raise a kid properly…

    Fears, being scared, worrying? Those are things you might be able to bond over. I’d be surprised if your wife wasn’t scared of a lot of these things too. My wife and I were scared.

    But what seems like just a subtle semantic difference between “Oh shit what have we signed up for” and “I’m not sure this was the right choice for us” has a massive gulf in terms of emotional meaning and undertones.

    I highly reccomend you try to take some time to try and figure out what you’re really feeling here. Maybe you are resentful of the situation. I hope you aren’t. Like I said earlier, most future fathers go through some terror of “what the shit am I in for what did I agree to?”


    If you’ll excuse a bit more ramble, what you’re feeling now might come back from time to time after your kid is born. Particularly when things feel tough, it’s not unusual to feel the weight of all the work you’ve stepped up to do. I still do from time to time, a year and some months in.

    But this is what you signed up for. Just like marriage is for better or worse, and relationships can be hard fucking work, so can children. You’ve made the choice with the idea or gamble that what you get out of it will make the toughness and hard times worth it. The overwhelming amount of the time, it absolutely will be.

    You’ve made the choice to do this, it’s too late to turn back. So are you going to trudge through it like a member of a chain gang, or are you going to cherish every little thing there is to cherish and be there for your wife who is giving up just as much or more than you will be?

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    7 months ago

    I’m a dad of two. I really enjoyed the book “The Expectant Father” by Armin A Brott. It really helped me understand how I was feeling and what my wife was feeling and what she was going through, too. You can find a PDF online I’m sure if you don’t want to buy it.

    But anyway, congratulations!

    Oh, and babies don’t need as many things as we imagine they do. So avoid buying everything you think you’ll need and just prepare the basics. You can buy things when you find out you need them. And don’t be afraid to buy used clothes etc. babies grow up super quickly.

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    7 months ago

    Your feelings aren’t abnormal, they are natural. Never feel like you are above therapy. It can give you a lot of skillsets to positively move forward.

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    7 months ago

    The way you are feeling is perfectly normal and I’m sure you will be a great dad.

    General worrying is fine and it seems like you have a good grasp of what to expect.

    Is having kids easy? No. Is it worth it? Yes. I wish I could tell you newborns were easy, but they weren’t (for me anyway). They can’t talk or move, they typically don’t sleep for long periods of time, need to be fed or changed constantly. The good news is that they are adorable and you will hopefully enjoy them anyway (some parents actually prefer this stage the best).

    I prefer the toddler phase better, when they start to develop, move, talk, and play.

    Remember that it’s OK to not be perfect, just be there for your family and try to enjoy the time. It’s over a lot quicker than it seems.

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    7 months ago

    There is a big difference in “having” a baby or “being” parents. This hits after birth. Have fun, you won’t regret it.

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    7 months ago

    The only natural parental instinct is wanting to reproduce, and some basic desire to cuddle and care for offspring at a base level. Most people who gush and act ridiculously over positive about kids are exaggerating their joy because other people expect it, you know, the same reason people only post positive stuff on social media.

    It is 100% fine to have conflicted feelings about having a kid. They are a ton of work, expensive, and also incredibly fun to teach and play with. It is a complete roller coaster of emotions, and hopefully you get to bond early and get to see the positives to balance out the negatives.

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    7 months ago

    Enjoy the ride. You can’t really do much anything else useful. Worrying doesn’t help anyone. But if I remember correctly, for my first kid I faked a lot of the positive emotions to avoid stress for the mother… felt probably pretty similar to you. All rational, and seeing a lot of my future time and energy spent not for me and my enjoyment, but someone elses.

    But the moment i first saw this tiny human - I cried and weeped and laughed and I can’t imagine a feeling that can top this (we had a second 3 years later, and thats the only thing that compares to this moment). Seeing something so fragile, delicate and beautiful, made by you and your loved one… no fake emotions were needed by this time. Best day, best moment of my life, no doubt about that!

    Sure, they’re 7 and 4 now and theres a lot of energy that both of us as parents invested… but at least for us its the best spent energy, time and money we could ever imagine (ok, we both havent tried heroin yet ;-))…

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    7 months ago

    Hey not a dad so feel free to take what I am saying with a grain of salt.

    First you are not a bad person and you are not getting cold feet. You are feeling overwhelmed, because you are.

    A few things that might help you understand this better.

    It is important to remember that hormonal change in women during pregnancy makes it almost impossible for them to not be excited and do the nesting thing. There is a hormone called oxytocin that makes this happen (there are more too). Oxytocin is often called the love drug because it helps with bonding. It will increase during pregnancy and here is a big rush during birth too. That makes the mom bond with her child. If this didn’t happen all new mammalian moms would just leave or kill their babies.

    As a guy you may not be getting that. Sometime guys will have similar hormonal changes by being near a pregnant woman, sometimes not.

    This is definitely part of the disconnect between you and your wife. She feels like she is gaining something and you feel like you are losing something. This should change. I have friends who are dads and they have told me they didn’t get the attachment to their kid till they could see and hold it.

    So every time you feel this way just kind of remind yourself that this is not permanent.

    Second is seriously considering going to the doctor and explaining all. This they may recommend a low dose anti depressions or something for the short term. There are some that even help you with sleep. This will not make you a “failure.” Instead it is proof that you are willing to admit that in order to meet your family needs and to be the man you know you are. You need a little help. It is one of the strongest things a man can do. Families don’t need a tough man that never needs help. They need a man who can be humble enough to know when they need help.

    Plus this could be something that might really help your wife after birth. It is much more common than people realize for women to have severe postpartum depression. It is very common for women to hide this because they think they shouldn’t be depressed. They think they should be happy because they have a baby now. Unfortunately it is not well understood, but there are a lot of extreme hormonal changes before, during, and after birth.

    If your wife knows that you needed help. It is much more likely for her to ask for help if she needs it.

    Best of luck to you I know you can figure this out. Just knowing this is a problem is the biggest hurdle.

    Hopefully some real dads respond and give you real advice.

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    12 days ago

    Good, that means you’re thinking about it.

    I’ll just lay it out… Having a kid is both the absolute best thing that will ever happen to you… And it’s also the absolute worst.

    That is just something you’ll figure out once the baby is born. I was told the above, before I had even met my wife, but didn’t understand it till I held my first born for the very first time.

    It’s almost 18 years later, but that feeling I had when I held my first born son for the very first time… Looking him over, getting to know him and then suddenly the strongest, most palpable feeling I had ever felt in my life suddenly consumed me…

    “What the absolute fuck did we just do.”

    The main thing you need to keep in mind is your wife needs you. She needs to know you are by her side and ready to do what you need to do.

    What is it you need to do?

    Clean the house, cook food, do the grocery shopping, go get her pickle flavored ice cream at 3am. Learn how to change diapers, how to feed a baby. Did you learn the 5 S’s? You don’t know what the 5 S’s is? She needs to know she’s not in this alone. That is your job. So that she can concentrate on getting this growing parasite out of her body and that you’re going to be there to help her when she needs it.

    If she is going to breast feed, learn everything you can about it. You might be able to offer her an outside perspective if she’s having trouble. Bonus, you get to stare at her breasts. My wife had a horrific time with our first born. So I sat down and read everything I could find on breast feeding and started a dialog with her lactation consultant. It was one of the over night feeds and she just could not get him to latch. She was tired out of her mind and had him at a bad angle and he could figure out what he needed to do. So I put one hand under him, another on her breast and guided the two together and stayed there till my wife realized what I was doing and took over. I got to touch her breast and she thanked me for it. She found it a lot easier to get him to latch after that.

    Become a diaper changing machine. I have personally changed a diaper on the floor of a too small restroom in a chic restaurant in NYC. In the trunk of a car. In the middle of a field while out on a hike. Changed up the diaper bag as I gained experience to make diaper changes more efficient.

    The worst was at 8 weeks of age our oldest had to undergo neurosurgery for tethered spinal cord (Spina Bifida Occulta). He had a clear surgical bandage that ran up his entire back. He had diarrhea and it went ALL THE FUCKING WAY up the surgical site under the bandage. I had to use water, q-tips, and cotton balls for almost 30 minutes to clean his sutures. Fortunately, the little tyke feel asleep and there was not an infection.

    Dude, I could jump from an airplane and change a fucking diaper in free fall at this point. (I’m a former skydiver).

    You’ll be the same way in a few months. Just be patient with her and most of all be patient with yourself.

    Oh and sleep? Yeah, that’s not a thing for a parent with a newborn. But you will do it because you have to. You’ll later look upon that time with… some emotion or another. It’s been nearly 18 years for me and when I look back I feel almost everything about it.

    Welcome to the club. We do NOT have jackets… Just dark bags under our eyes and an ever present feeling of exhaustion, but it’s great at the same time.

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      11 days ago

      Thanks very much for the reply. My son is here now and very healthy. I wouldn’t personally say I felt anything profound the first or 50th time that I held him, but I am used to him being around now. And in general it’s all been a lot less stressful than I had expected, which is great, we’re both getting plenty of sleep so far, and he seems generally quite chilled out.

      I love him, but more in a “I am responsible for you” sort of way at the moment. I’m assuming the real deep bonded love comes later, when we can interact more meaningfully.

      I am looking forward to watching cartoons, reading books and playing games together, but obviously that all comes a lot later on.