I’m a Linux/Android guy historically and I have to say I really love the stance Apple takes on privacy versus Google’s more, uh, laxe privacy stance. Knowing my phone OS that I carry everywhere with me wasn’t designed by a company selling my data would be a significant plus and has had me rethinking things lately. A lot more than, say, whether I prefer the UI or customizability or the camera suite.
As someone who works in Cybersecurity, I read a lot of security reports. I haven’t seen an iPhone be the most private/secure phone in about half a decade.
Android gives you full control over the permissions given to apps just like iOS does.
And since you can download additional browsers and browser plugins that aren’t just repackaged Safari, you can have a lot more control over your Internet privacy if you want it.
Google’s entire profit model is offering software for free so that they can gather data and sell ads.
Granular app permissions are a start, but barely. Cross-app tracking is a bigger deal, and Apple is miles ahead of Google there; and Google is never going to catch up, because it would destroy their revenue search.
I’ve used both platforms extensively, I actually love Android. Google assistant is so much better than Siri that it’s obnoxious, custom roms are a ton of fun, having a way to get root access on a device is so important it should be legally required.
But, if you think that a company that exists to build an advertising profile and sell ads will ever produce a device that meaningfully blocks the ability to build an advertising profile, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
I’m talking about blocking cross app tracking, not “restricting” it. Still, Google does not even restrict cross app tracking. They’ve announced a planned muli-year (their words) initiative to restrict cross app tracking- but, importantly, they’ve very clearly expressed that they’re going to work with advertisers to make sure that what they plan isn’t too disruptive. Which should be obvious anyway, because advertisers are literally their only real paying customers.
All that Google is interested in doing is finding the absolute minimum that they can do to give the illusion that they care about privacy, all without having to do anything that meaningfully protects user data. And only after Apple makes a huge change that devours even more of Google’s market share.
If you’re thinking about the current feature in android that allows users to “disable” cross app tracking, it actually doesn’t. It just disable Google’s advertising ID, but still let’s any app who wants to fingerprint your device using IP address and device serial.
Because apples goal is to sell you hardware. Privacy sells hardware. Googles goal is to have manufacturers use their OS for free so they can harvest and sell data, and maintain control of the mobile ad space.
I’m not saying Apple is a moral company far from it, but it has business incentive to build with privacy at the core, Google has the opposite.
The problem is Apple won’t be able to just rely on that forever. Eventually when Macbook Airs are starting at $2999 and people can’t afford their hardware, they’ll start cutting into user data more if they haven’t reached that point yet. Just because a business model supports a virtue doesn’t mean that company will always abide by their previous moral commitments. Google once said “Don’t be evil”
Yes, the THREE-trillion dollar, 50-year-old company that figuratively just prints money is going to become so desperate that they will abandon their extremely profitable business model to become… an ad agency?
The absolutely irrelevant reference to a vague PR line in Googles old corporate code of conduct was a nice touch, though
Yes, that’s what’s going to happen, but maybe not for an ads platform. Your rights are on the chopping block, but don’t worry though, because by that point you’ll be convinced that giving up your privacy and any individual thought is entirely within your self interest. Ideas like “Big company, much value, can’t possibly want more money” is pretty much halfway down the line.
Great work doing their work to convince yourself, for them.
Apple is a corporation that has no ideals or principles, by design. They only care about profit at any cost, and currently support a level of privacy they are comfortable with, because their analysts have surmised that supporting this level of privacy gives a net positive of consumer goodwill over lost ad revenue. Once it gets to a point where that inequality flips over to show a profit in selling user data, that’s exactly what they’re going to do. Sure, they’re not going to reverse directions, right away, no. They have an army of extremely well paid, entirely unscrupulous behavioural psychologists and consumer trend analysts whose job it is to convince you that you want whatever it is that the company wants.
All the corporation ass-kissing just makes me sick. It’s like being a sheep in a herd all collectively moving to the edge of a cliff with no power for any individual to change course.
Dude it’s sad how obviously desperate you are to be personally offended by apple. Nobody here is claiming that they’re a company with morals, or that they do anything out of the goodness of their heart.
Apple targets a market segment that prioritizes data privacy. They’re under a ton of scrutiny from their users, and stand to lose considerable business if they start compromising on privacy.
Likewise, they’ve been gaining more and more market share in the US, largely from people who are switching because of Apple’s stance on privacy.
The best way for them to maximize profits is for them to continue to prioritize user privacy, which is why it’s easy to believe that they’ll do so.
That doesn’t mean we have to conclude apple is the good guy.
no one said apple is “the good guy”. The only thing the top comment said is they prefer apple’s stance on privacy compared to google.
They can both be shitty corporations. This assignment is not graded on curve.
like many things in life if your options are all shitty, then you’ll probably opt for the least shitty option. So in that sense your choice between apple or google is “graded on a curve”. You’re just trying to justify a false equivalence.
I’m a Linux/Android guy historically and I have to say I really love the stance Apple takes on privacy versus Google’s more, uh, laxe privacy stance. Knowing my phone OS that I carry everywhere with me wasn’t designed by a company selling my data would be a significant plus and has had me rethinking things lately. A lot more than, say, whether I prefer the UI or customizability or the camera suite.
I would switch to iphone myself if it wasn’t for sideloading, and ublock origin in Firefox.
As someone who works in Cybersecurity, I read a lot of security reports. I haven’t seen an iPhone be the most private/secure phone in about half a decade.
It doesn’t have to be the most secure. It just has to be secure for the majority of use cases.
Sure. I’m just saying it’s not an advantage of iOS.
You’re acting like you don’t realize that there is a difference between end user privacy, and security from targeted attacks.
I don’t really care how hard it would be for a motivated attacker to target me and breach the security of my device.
I do really care about how hard it is for every website on earth to know intimate, personal details about my life.
iOS is the only sane choice.
No. I’m very aware.
Android gives you full control over the permissions given to apps just like iOS does.
And since you can download additional browsers and browser plugins that aren’t just repackaged Safari, you can have a lot more control over your Internet privacy if you want it.
Google’s entire profit model is offering software for free so that they can gather data and sell ads.
Granular app permissions are a start, but barely. Cross-app tracking is a bigger deal, and Apple is miles ahead of Google there; and Google is never going to catch up, because it would destroy their revenue search.
I’ve used both platforms extensively, I actually love Android. Google assistant is so much better than Siri that it’s obnoxious, custom roms are a ton of fun, having a way to get root access on a device is so important it should be legally required.
But, if you think that a company that exists to build an advertising profile and sell ads will ever produce a device that meaningfully blocks the ability to build an advertising profile, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Google restricts Cross app tracking and you can entirely disable the ad profile.
They will continue to make money off of the users who don’t care, while capturing more market from those who do.
I’m talking about blocking cross app tracking, not “restricting” it. Still, Google does not even restrict cross app tracking. They’ve announced a planned muli-year (their words) initiative to restrict cross app tracking- but, importantly, they’ve very clearly expressed that they’re going to work with advertisers to make sure that what they plan isn’t too disruptive. Which should be obvious anyway, because advertisers are literally their only real paying customers.
All that Google is interested in doing is finding the absolute minimum that they can do to give the illusion that they care about privacy, all without having to do anything that meaningfully protects user data. And only after Apple makes a huge change that devours even more of Google’s market share.
If you’re thinking about the current feature in android that allows users to “disable” cross app tracking, it actually doesn’t. It just disable Google’s advertising ID, but still let’s any app who wants to fingerprint your device using IP address and device serial.
What makes you think apple doesn’t harvest your data for pretty much the same purposes as Google?
Because apples goal is to sell you hardware. Privacy sells hardware. Googles goal is to have manufacturers use their OS for free so they can harvest and sell data, and maintain control of the mobile ad space.
I’m not saying Apple is a moral company far from it, but it has business incentive to build with privacy at the core, Google has the opposite.
The problem is Apple won’t be able to just rely on that forever. Eventually when Macbook Airs are starting at $2999 and people can’t afford their hardware, they’ll start cutting into user data more if they haven’t reached that point yet. Just because a business model supports a virtue doesn’t mean that company will always abide by their previous moral commitments. Google once said “Don’t be evil”
Yes, the THREE-trillion dollar, 50-year-old company that figuratively just prints money is going to become so desperate that they will abandon their extremely profitable business model to become… an ad agency?
The absolutely irrelevant reference to a vague PR line in Googles old corporate code of conduct was a nice touch, though
Yes, that’s what’s going to happen, but maybe not for an ads platform. Your rights are on the chopping block, but don’t worry though, because by that point you’ll be convinced that giving up your privacy and any individual thought is entirely within your self interest. Ideas like “Big company, much value, can’t possibly want more money” is pretty much halfway down the line.
Great work doing their work to convince yourself, for them.
They’re a computer company. Their primary revenue streams are from hardware, software, and services, not from selling ads.
Apple is a corporation that has no ideals or principles, by design. They only care about profit at any cost, and currently support a level of privacy they are comfortable with, because their analysts have surmised that supporting this level of privacy gives a net positive of consumer goodwill over lost ad revenue. Once it gets to a point where that inequality flips over to show a profit in selling user data, that’s exactly what they’re going to do. Sure, they’re not going to reverse directions, right away, no. They have an army of extremely well paid, entirely unscrupulous behavioural psychologists and consumer trend analysts whose job it is to convince you that you want whatever it is that the company wants.
All the corporation ass-kissing just makes me sick. It’s like being a sheep in a herd all collectively moving to the edge of a cliff with no power for any individual to change course.
Dude it’s sad how obviously desperate you are to be personally offended by apple. Nobody here is claiming that they’re a company with morals, or that they do anything out of the goodness of their heart.
Apple targets a market segment that prioritizes data privacy. They’re under a ton of scrutiny from their users, and stand to lose considerable business if they start compromising on privacy.
Likewise, they’ve been gaining more and more market share in the US, largely from people who are switching because of Apple’s stance on privacy.
The best way for them to maximize profits is for them to continue to prioritize user privacy, which is why it’s easy to believe that they’ll do so.
Yes I’m conflicted. I don’t like the tracking Google does but I do love how Android has so much more FOSS apps.
If you want Android, you could just install a degoogled Android rom on a phone that support it.
Fdroid is great.
Apple also sells user data
It’s not a binary issue. Google’s entire business model is dependent on it. Apple’s is not, so they don’t do it nearly to the same extent.
That doesn’t mean we have to conclude apple is the good guy.
They can both be shitty corporations. This assignment is not graded on curve.
no one said apple is “the good guy”. The only thing the top comment said is they prefer apple’s stance on privacy compared to google.
like many things in life if your options are all shitty, then you’ll probably opt for the least shitty option. So in that sense your choice between apple or google is “graded on a curve”. You’re just trying to justify a false equivalence.