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    My partner and I are like this. We’ve been together for 14 years and are legit best friends.

    I have a feeling too many people paired off right away and decided their first serious relationship was the one, and never actually found an equal. Maybe they married more out of fear of being alone rather than actual desire, or they just can’t tell the difference between sexual novelty and love.

    Even a lot of my married friends start identifying more with boomer humor than romance after 2 or 3 years. Way too many communication issue, or ideas of traditional roles or how things ‘should be’ leading to resentment or exasperation.

    Court long and marry late. And don’t hide your real self when dating.

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      I’m sorry, but you suck…
      hard…
      at being…
      a sad, sad satellite. 🛰️

      I’m glad for you :)

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      I dunno. Dating long can bring its own gigantic bag of issues. You will have to build every relationship from the start. If you have a bag of expectations, fears, maybe even hard trauma that you project onto the relationship early on, it will make it more difficult to build the relationship.

      “Oh my god he is not answering the phone. He is probably cheating on me right now how ex#3 did.”

      “She said she loves me after only week three of us having a thing. This is just like crazy ex#5.”

      “He didn’t say he loves me after its been four weeks already. He is probably only affectionate now but will turn cold and distant like ex#4.”

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        But those are all personality traits you need to discover and address before you’re married. If you’re the one bringing those concerns, you need to get yourself in check before jumping into long term relationships.

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    That’s limerence.

    A more stable relationship is when feelings crystalize, but until then, there’s limerence. Two-way limerent relationships are as unstable as a bottle of undiluted nitroglycerin. In any case, limerent relationships are quite common, and are the stuff of music, art, and poetry.

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        There was a young man that said “damn”

        For it certainly seems that I am

        A creature that moves in determinate grooves

        I’m not even a bus, I’m a tram

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        I want you to finish it. No one ever finishes it. I don’t even know the rest of the limerick because no one ever finishes it!

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          As an actual man from Nantucket (though not that one) lemme fill you in:

           

          There once was a man from Nantucket,

          Whose dick was so long he could suck it.

          He said with a grin,

          As he wiped off his chin,

          “If my ear was a cunt I would fuck it.”

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          There are a metric fuckton of limericks that start with that phrase. A common one is:

          There was a young man from Nantucket
          Whose dick was so long he could suck it.
              He said with a grin
              As he wiped off his chin,
          "If my ear was a cunt I would fuck it." 
          
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          I know a different version from the other two:

          There once was a man from Nantucket

          Who put all his shit in a bucket

          And one day he tripped

          And the bucket, it flipped

          And he said “ah well fuck it”

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      God lemmy is worse than reddit with people being negative about others happiness. If you are so unhappy you need to spoil other peoples happiness you need to get help.

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        I agreed with you up to the point where it appeared as if you felt that logophiles are miserable and spread misery. That being said, I appreciate your perspective and I’m sorry sharing what brings me joy has the opposite effect on you.

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      This read just like the stuff that a girl with BPD would write about me haha.

      How y’all think that went for me?

      Oh and I’ve never heard that word. Thank you.

      Edit: You’ve sent me down a rabbit hole.

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          It was crazy. “I love you! I can’t live without you! I’ll kill myself if you leave!”

          Next day I’d find a hickey on her neck and get messages from some dude’s wife telling me her husband was fucking my wife.

          “That’s not what happened. When I said, “what happened with us” I was talking about a conversation we had at the bar! His wife is lying! She’s crazy by the way. Everyone knows she lies about everything. That physical evidence isn’t physical evidence. You’re crazy. You made all of this up in your head.”

          Just get help bud. Don’t let it fester and ruin your life.

          When I finally realized I couldn’t salvage my family, she ended up involuntarily committed. She pulled all of her hair out and dragged us into court lying to everyone.

          Good luck. Seriously.

          Edit:

          Oh yeah, as far as loved until hated, I was god until I wasn’t, then everyone in town was convinced I was a violent rapist and a monster until I was god again. Man. Glad all that is over.

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      A central feature of limerence for Tennov was the fact that her participants really saw the object of their affection’s personal flaws, but simply overlooked them or found them attractive.[32][28] Tennov calls this “crystallization”, after a description by Stendhal in his 1821 treatise On Love. This “crystallized” version of a love object, with accentuated features, is what Tennov calls a “limerent object”, or “LO”.[33]

      For Tennov, sexual desire is an essential aspect of limerence[34] but the desire for emotional commitment is greater.[35] The sexual desires of Tennov’s interviewees were overshadowed by their desire for their beloved to contact them, invite them out and reciprocate their passion.[30]

      Limerence can be difficult to understand for those who have never experienced it, and it is thus often derided and dismissed as undesirable, some kind of pathology, ridiculous fantasy or a construct of romantic fiction.[36]

      The wiki page you linked is saying kind of the opposite about crystalization then what you are saying.

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    If I can quote a thing: happiness isn’t having what you want, it’s wanting what you’ve got.

    Points to anyone who can name the source without using Google.

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    And here I am, divorced and never marrying again, lucky to be dating the same girl for eight years. And then there’s that one day every few years where she runs out of her meds and begins believing I’m plotting against her when I ask how her mom is doing that I think, “I’m super glad I didn’t get married again so I can just walk away if this shit lasts more than a few days.”

    That’s love. Staying with someone, not because you’re married and a divorce is a huge legal hassle, but because they haven’t freaked all the way the fuck out yet.

    PS, make friends with your pharmacist, fellow BPSOs. Make sure they keep those mood stabilizers and antipsychotic in stock.

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      “I’m super glad I didn’t get married again so I can just walk away if this shit lasts more than a few days.”

      I’m glad you didn’t get remarried too.

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          Walking away after a few days is extremely quick for a long term relationship. If they had said anything longer, like a few weeks, or even just said that they like having the option to just walk away without going through another divorce if the person isn’t able to get back on track I wouldn’t have commented.

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            I can’t speak for them but having been in similar situations in a long term relationship I’m sure they didn’t mean a few days literally. Especially knowing it’s due to an issue with medication, that takes time to sort itself out. A few days in terms of getting back on track could be anywhere from a week to a month or two depending on safety concerns and severity of symptoms. I could be totally wrong too, that’s just my unsolicited opinion on the matter haha

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        Yep. They were probably joking, or at the least exaggerating, but it reminds me of how a large percentage of men would leave their partner going through a medical crisis. Not all medical crisises are physical, yo.

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      FWIW, I never thought I’d remarry either.

      It could happen if you meet the right person and want to share your life with them. Took us close to 8 years of dating before we got married.

      Super small wedding, total of 7 people invited. I kept waiting for the “other shoe to drop” with her, but it never did, and then I realized she’s the real deal, and I could commit with her without some dark side of her personality showing up or her getting run off to the hills with my issues.

      Anyhow, maybe it doesn’t work for you, and it sounds like maybe not with your current GF with the mental health issues.

      Wishing you guys all the best regardless, just wanted to let you know I was pretty much in the same camp until a couple years ago after my previous marriage ended almost 15 years ago.

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      Like Abe Lincoln always said, take anything you see written online with a grain of salt and, until you see conclusive evidence otherwise, assume it’s a creative writing exercise.

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        Isn’t it just reworded “there are no girls on the internet” rule?

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            Eh to be fair, that rule is from a time where real girls on the Internet were a lot less common (though obviously they existed) and people still fell for the beautiful Spanish girl scam. And bought “girls” stuff on MMORPGs. And so on.

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      I am an irascible fool. I’ve spent the majority of the last decade in various stages of depression. I’m overweight, often disheveled, long winded, and ramble about deeply irrelevant technology topics, or unsolvable and depressing political issues. I’m kind of a miser, I never think about fun, and I don’t generally like people. I’m opinionated, judgmental, and quick to speak my mind.

      My wife is so beautiful that last week while walking the dogs, some guy circled the block to rev up his engine and take off in front of her while him and his passenger stared at her, engine roaring, running a stop sign in the process and coming within a foot or two of clipping another vehicle that did not have a stop sign. Yesterday, some teenager on a moped nearly fell off trying to awkwardly spin around a roundabout so he could “sneak” another glance at her. Early on in our relationship, we went to a professional networking event, and a man who was supposed to be an HR rep waited for her to go to the restroom so he could tell me how beautiful she was. Three years ago, a friend of a friend asked us for a threesome at a party, and her words to my wife were “I just want to please you and serve you.” She didn’t even look at me. (We didn’t go for it. She smokes.)

      My wife is so annoying.
      Last week I was trying to get dressed for work and she bum-rushed me for a hug while I was trying to button my pants. And my dumb ass got annoyed about it. She routinely tells me she thinks I’m beautiful, and very charming. She will sometimes just lean around a corner to look at me and squeal. She literally just walked into my office to rub my chest and tell me I’m a babe (like 30 seconds ago). She tells me at least once a week that she gets butterflies around me. She’s giddy and giggly to see me. She’ll text me to tell me she misses me when I’m out of the house for more than 30 minutes. She writes me love letters. (I write her love letters too, I’m not that awful.) She takes pictures of me all the time. There’s a whole album of photos of me that I sometimes just catch her looking at. If I send her a voice memo, she saves it so she can listen to my voice later.
      My wife is the best.

      Some people just love their partners in expressive and visceral ways, even if their partners are just Monument, a weird and flawed human. But I do my best, and I won’t ever quit.

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          I don’t get it either. We met in a group chat in 2016, and that lady was like “I choose him, that man that’s like 10 years older than me and a total weirdo and is probably going through some sort of mental health crisis.” She then flirted with me (while I tried to avoid her, because I fucking knew this would happen!) until I relented and sent her pictures of my butt, and then she sold her house and moved across the country to bother me forever. (Some details omitted.)

          The real story is… actually that, just less dramatized. We met via a chatroom attached to a subreddit, some folks in that chat formed their own group and we both joined it. Rather - it was formed around her. She was in the process of ending her marriage. We all gave her advice and care, while also being perverts and weirdos that flirted with one another. Several months after her divorce was final, I noticed she started talking to me a lot more, and was sending me DM’s instead of the main chat. Heck, she once asked me if she was attractive, and I remember telling her that any man would think she was - not wanting to tell her she was achingly beautiful. A member of the group had begun to overstep and get creepy. He actually chased off someone pretty cool because he was sort of obsessed with her. I didn’t want to be ‘that guy’ but I also had my own thing going. I was dating a woman in a poly situation, and she was married (all on the level, all parties fully informed and consenting). I enjoyed dating around and generally being a deviant. I had previously had long distance relationships, and I knew they were horrible and hard and awful.
          One day, after weeks of flirting back and forth, my wife asked what I was up to, and I told her I had just gotten done taking butt photos for a woman that I used to take butt photos for. (A nonsexual thing, she just liked my butt.) And my wife said I should send her some next time. So I did, and she reciprocated, and I sent more photos, and she sent more photos, and then we had phone calls, then video chats, the thing that made me fall in love with her happened*, and then we had an in-person visit, followed by several more during the most happy and heartbreaking year of my life while I found a better paying job to get a bigger apartment before she moved to live with me. It took a while. We moved in together on our first anniversary.

          *She recorded a video of herself singing me happy birthday. It’s probably the most backed up file I own.

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      Yeah, it gives big “Where are the females like this?” energy, I can definitely see it being written by a lonely chauvinist dirtball. I hope not because it is cute, but the Internet is the Internet, so…

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        It’s…weird to me that not only is this not true for you guys or anyone you know, but you have a hard time imagining it could be true.

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          Emotional relationship vary wildly, and I repeat wildly across different cultures worldwide.

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          Every single long term relationship I’ve ever been witness to has been defined by either eventual resentment between partners, or a pervasive sense of apathy between them. The people I’ve seen who really “make it last” aren’t affectionate towards one another after being together for decades: they’re codependent. One person supports another person’s narcissism and the other person facilitates their partner’s alcoholism. That sort of thing.

          On a more fundamental level, I’m not sure I even believe that the concept of lifelong partners or lifelong marriage is natural for human beings. Being a part of a community, sure, but being emotionally attached to the same person in the same way forever? Not really. I think it’s in our nature to constantly grow, and that typically means growing apart. In fact, that might be a lot healthier for people than the alternative.

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              Right. That’s why I didn’t say “it’s impossible for things to be this way,” but instead said “this is what I’ve seen.” It’s possible that I’ve just happened to see the worst of long term relationships by virtue of bad luck or environment. I don’t discount that possibility and I’m not saying that my limited experience of the world represents the sum total of all human potential.

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            We’re planning our 30th anniversary party. We still flirt and are both best friends and lovers and don’t pass each other in a room without a caress or joke. I’m not bragging so much as to say it happens. Sometimes people keep the remnants of their initial crush and combine it with respect and lust for a whole lifetime. The Pheromones are very strong.

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      yeah hard to imagine that, my gf finds me less attractive than a bag of potatoes. she’s nice to me, but she does not look at me, and pigs fly more often than she touches me.

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    I could not agree more about my wife! She is totally awesome and I really love spending time with her. We are constantly goofing arround. I had a crush on her since we have been 14 and started dating. Now 10 years together we are married and got our first kid. I could not be happier.

    She is just changing diapers right now and I am thinking how lucky I am to have her.

    I also believe actively trying to have positive/wholesome view on a world helps a lot.

    This is why I really like this community.

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      Awwww thank you so much for sharing this! Just made my day (well, technically night) a lot better!

      I can’t even begin to imagine being able to marry someone u crushed on SINCE U WERE 14, while them being so nice! So happy for ya!

      She is just changing diapers right now

      Oof, that’s one thing I’m a little scared of dealing with when I become a dad lol

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        Thank you!

        Also changing diapers is not hard at all. You get used to it after second change. It becomes boring task you do not think about - like going to the toilet yourself.

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    I go through phases of this with my husband. We’ve been married for 13 years, and he is legit my best friend, and I find him to be just unbelievably hot af. I’ll go weeks where I’m just like “goddamn, this is mine?”

    And then I also go through less intense periods. He’s still my partner through life and I’d get his back through anything and everything, but it’s less “omg you’re so hot” googly eyes and more like “this is the life we’ve built together and I’m so glad I did it with you”.

    But then a few weeks later I’m in crush mode.

    Obligatory of course we have our periods where we annoy the fuck out of each other, but it’s usually short-lived and we communicate and work through it. I think that’s just a realistic fact of marriage.

    He has made me such a better person than I was when I met him though. I think about that constantly.

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      I’m 16 years in and this describes me and my wife. I really struggle being around people who complain about their spouse. I just don’t relate, lol. Yeah she annoy me some times but I would take being a little annoyed than being alone. I also love to hear about people who love their spouses. My best friend only ever says positive things about his wife and it makes it enjoyable comparing spouses.

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      I’ve been married 9 years, together for 16, and this really sums it up for me. Just this morning the way they looked at me in bed when we woke up and I was smitten.

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        Aren’t those moments the fucking best? When it’s such a “simple thing” to wake up next to someone and just feel that calm security or even the “fuck yeah you’re so goddamned attractive and you chose me too!”