(But it’s also heavily on sale right now, for $15 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/526870/Satisfactory/)
Personally, I don’t mind at all. For one I bought it at $30, but also I have 2,000 hours logged. Per hour that’s a cost of $0.02 per hour (at the new price) if I had bought it at $40. I’m all for calling out studios like ubisoft for being greedy, but coffee stain has done a very fair job with Satisfactory IMO, and they very well deserve $10 more for the game.
That being said, go pick it up now for $15
triple the price if that means we eventually find out what those talking spheres do
And SAM ore
Gross, and they even used the “inflation” excuse the Factorio devs used, despite it literally not applying to existing digital goods.
Not even EA would try to increase the price of a half decade old game…
Edit: And wow, putting it on sale right before a price increase? Sounds like fomo to me.
Inflation applies to games that are actively being developed for sure. Games don’t program themselves. You need people to do it. Those people need wages to pay rent/food/utilities. If the prices of those things go up they’ll need higher wages which will usually come from higher prices on the game that in this case, they continuously develop.
No, no it doesn’t. The cost of a game getting patches and updates isn’t the same as the cost of making the game in the first place.
Inflation affects physical goods because you need to make the product from the ground up every single time. And those materials cost money, and rise with inflation, so making the product from scratch each time gradually costs more as time goes on. Hence why they need to raise the price of the finished product - otherwise they’d literally lose money on each sale.
Digital goods don’t work this way, once the product has been made it can freely be distributed without having to be remade again and again.
Yes, it costs money to patch and update. But that’s not comparable to rebuilding the product from the ground up like with physical goods.
By your logic all movies, tv shows, and all other forms of digital goods should actually increase price with age, not decrease. Team Fortress 2 should be like $100 by now. After all, servers aren’t free.
Also, their wages come from sales. If they no longer have money to pay their employees then they should look towards developing new games, dlc, or merchandising. Artificially inflating the prices of existing goods isn’t the answer. There’s a reason that not even EA or Activision have pulled this.
They’ve been developing it actively continually you fungus.
They’ve been developing No Man’s Sky for even longer. Should it cost $100 now?
Edit: And it’s in Early Access so… no duh?
If they think people will pay it, sure. It’s not food or housing; games are a luxury. Nobody’s forcing you to buy it. Do you have a job? Would you like a raise because food and rent cost more than they used to? Yes? Cool. But you’re not here to debate. You’re here to whine and bitch and moan about the price going up $10. That the price of lunch (or less) at most fast food joints. So if you can afford Subway and a Coke, you can afford an extra $10. Or you can buy it before the same ends. Or when the next sale comes along. But you’re not going to. You’re just here to be a jackass.
If you unironically think No Man’s Sky should cost over $100 now I can’t help you. The fact that it doesn’t, the fact that no game released over a decade ago does, should be all the evidence you need.
If EA or Activision genuinely thought your take had any weight they’d be charging over $100 for all of their older titles. Thank god not everyone is as braindead as the Satisfactory fan base seems to be…
This isn’t about the price going up. This is about the explanation as to why. If it were due to the amount of content added since it released into ea, or due to an upcoming official launch, that’d be fine. But using the Factorio “inflation” excuse isn’t it.
Not only material costs go up with inflation.
Those materials have a price because you need labor to obtain them. The cost of everything is driven by the price of labor. The price of labor goes up with inflation.
There is no product that is unaffected by inflation.
So you’re saying that because of that, all things must also rise in price, just inherently?
By your logic any movie released decades ago should cost far more now than it did back then, right? To rent or buy, it should be infinitely more. What about games from the 90’s or 00’s? They should be far more expensive.
Why don’t I have to pay 100’s of dollars every time I watch A Clockwork Orange? Why doesn’t it cost hundreds of dollars to play the original Half-Life? After all, counting for inflation they should all cost far, far more than they currently do. Actually take a second and think about it.
Why do you think buying a digital copy of something is cheaper than buying a brand new, physical copy? Because each physical copy had to be built from the ground up, taking all new materials to do so, whereas the digital copies can effectively be infinitely reproduced. They’re not affected in the same way.
Inflation is not the only factor in the pricing on products. Otherwise a potato would cost 1000x what it does.
Even then, all the things you mention are media that was already produced, and the only cost associated to them now is licensing and distribution. Satisfactory is still in production, which costs orders of magnitude more.
The costs of updates and bug fixes, ie maintenance, aren’t equivalent to building the game from the ground up.
The cost of a game getting patches and updates isn’t the same as the cost of making the game in the first place.
Satisfactory is released!!!
No, still in early access. I’d guess this price hike aligns with 1.0.
I wish that were true but according to their video it’s due to inflation, not due to any official release.
He explains that there are some guidelines on online stores like steam and EVs that they cannot just talk about that requires them to do it now, even though they feel the price point is better represented by the final release. So they wished they could do it then, but this is an issue.
The team has had a split dev track the past 2 years, where one part developed the 1.0 stuff that will be added and was kept secret, while the second team did the early access part.
After the last major release they found that they now needed to merge the 2 branches and stop EA updates to work towards final release.
So there areany changes coming to what we saw in EA and there is also new content coming that we so far only saw parts of (like the summer sloop and mercer spheres).
These guys are like the gold standard for keeping their fans in the loop and explaining their dev proces. The hate is unwarranted. They even put the game on sale at the old price point and gave everyone fair warning. I think 40 euros is a good and fair price for the final game if you want to wait.
Fair enough, maybe I’ve just become jaded after seeing what the Factorio devs pulled.
I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt, I’ll take your word for it. I’ll be really sad if they decide to increase the price even further on the official launch though.
The cost of a game getting patches and updates isn’t the same as the cost of making the game in the first place.
Tell me you’ve never tried to maintain/update software without telling me…
Are you unironically saying it’s cheaper to make a full game than it is to make bug fixes and minor updates?
Dude I love you but you’re delusional.
I am unironically saying that, as a career software engineer, fixing bugs and adding new features to an existing product is about 80% of a programming job.
While it’s certainly true that some classes of bugs are very easy to fix (“oh shit I forgot to apply the correct style”; “I mean to use this method whoops”), many bugs that exist in later-stage games require pulling a bunch of shit apart to figure it out. They’re in the same pool of difficulty usually as performance optimizations or balancing new functionality. Getting a successful test case can be difficult even if the bug is readily apparent. Getting the regression test to pass is the subject of a plethora of literature. It can be hard and difficulty often scales with codebase. If the bug was obvious and easy, it would have been done before.
If it was obvious and easy and wasn’t done before because of time constraints, devs can still charge more because their wages should have gone up. This whole thread OP is kinda nuts (not the commenter I’m vehemently agreeing with and expanding on).
They are still developing it. Aren’t they? If it’s got more stuff in it than when it originally came out a price increase could make sense.
By that logic any game that gets updated should have its price increase. No Mans Sky should cost like $100.
Yes, and?
Trying to make money from games with long term support is a tricky thing that companies keep trying to do - it can lead to season passes, microtransactions, deluxe/supporter editions, buyable maps and expansions - or stuff like this.
Companies try to get money to support game, more news at eleven…
Maybe games as a service shouldn’t be a thing then. Just a thought.
Well then, devs should be able to increase the price as inflation increases so the equivalent cost stays the same.
I wrote is elsewhere but I’ll write it again here:
Inflation affects physical goods because you need to make the product from the ground up every single time. Those materials cost money, and rise with inflation, so making the product from scratch each time gradually costs more as time goes on. Hence why they need to raise the price of the finished product - otherwise they’d literally lose money on each sale.
Digital goods don’t work this way, once the product has been made it can freely be distributed without having to be remade again and again.
Yes, it costs money to patch and update. But that’s not comparable to rebuilding the product from the ground up like with physical goods.
Selling the game is the devs income, if everything else costs more and you don’t increase your income you’re just becoming poorer.
Just because you’re doing office work do you believe you shouldn’t get a raise?
I mean, would you argue that the game isn’t worth the price increase? I’ve always felt that this game with what they gave you for content is well worth a $50 price point, honestly tentatively say maybe even a $60 price point, I mean I do agree you that it’s weird that they’re choosing to raise the price now, considering that they honestly should have raised the price point of the game easily one or two years ago, but I definitely wouldn’t go to say that the game isn’t worth the price that they’re asking for, I still personally believe they are under selling their game.
Honestly, they could increase the game after the sale, launch the 1.0 release and raise the price again saying that okay now it’s no longer Early Access and I think that would be 100% Fair, I’ve gotten exponentially more hours out of this game than I have out of games that I’ve paid $70 for
Tbh I feel it’s totally worth the price, and if they said that they increased the price due to the added value since releasing into ea I’d be totally fine with it. But using inflation as a cover, like the Factorio devs before them, is gross and deceptive. Hell, I’d rather them just say “we want more money”. At least that’s honest.
Like I said, it’s fine if they want to increase the price due to an official release, or simply because they feel there has been significant value added since launching into early access. Lots of devs do that, it’s not a big deal. But none of them lie about inflation somehow affecting an existing digital good in any meaningful way. Well again, except Factorio lol. But that guy also excused statutory rape so…
Yeah I do agree, it seems real sleazy blowing it under the guise of inflation, that being said it is understandable because inflation is infected quite hard with those projects, whether it’s hosting costs or salary well it may not be as much as physical products I can see where they may want to raise it but in this case I do agree I think they definitely had reason to just say “yo our game is good and we know it so we’re upping the price” okay maybe not exactly like that but you get the point
Honestly as much as I dislike it raising in price, if this is a price increase for the initial release that’s completely fine due to the fact that the game is definitely worth more than they’re selling it anyway, plus I give them props alone for releasing the fact that they are going to raise the price because most Studios would just have this really good deal and then raise the base price after the sale never letting anyone know ahead of time
I’d agree but apparently this is due to “inflation”, so more than likely they’ll increase it again on release.
You apparently haven’t watched the video. He explicitly said they wanted to raise it on release but have to do it earlier because of some steam policies
The video literally opens with him saying it’s inflation…
They can leave steam and stay on egs for all I care.
I’ve owned it for a while, I think I just hit 1000 hours in game.
I’m excited to see what 1.0 brings.
There’s an interesting theory going around that the steam rules that they have to abide by are surrounding sales. You can’t put a game on sale immediately following a price change like they’re doing, you have to wait something like 30 days. So it might be that they wanted to do a release sale, and this is a good opportunity for them to get the price change done in advance of the launch sale.
This implies that 1.0 is coming within a few months. I want to believe the rumors, but I’ve waited so long for 1.0, that I am very hesitant to get my hopes up.
I heard that, Snut was also very cagey on why they had to do a specific sale and how it was working. I think we’re getting very close to the full release…
Unrelated, do you know of any good multiplayer groups for satisfactory?
I’ve been looking to join some experienced people. I dunno if any such groups exist.
Personally, no. But, you can make a post asking! I’m sure there are people here who know of groups or are looking themselves!
Ahhh I’m torn about it. Is there any news about the stuttering issue that came with update 8? It’s unplayable now around the northern forest and if this is how 1.0 is I’ll pass
Plenty of optimizations since update 8 went into the beta channel, updates are paused right now because they’re spending all their dev time working towards 1.0.
There was a video not long ago talking about some of the optimizations coming to 1.0
They keep improving everything.
