I guess it’s not quite that level of “fuck this shit I’m out” but I realized that I was doing a significant amount of work that would be outside the description of a junior software engineer. I chatted with my boss and asked for a raise, he went to HR and they said no, so I asked for a promotion and he took it all the way to the VP and they still said no. After that I said “well they must not care about me but this other company is offering a 20k raise so I’m out.”
It did suck because my boss was still probably the best manager I’ve ever had who gave me everything he could to help me succeed but they refused to give me a raise. I don’t miss the work but I for sure miss that team.
As tough as it was for your manager to lose you, you probably also did them a favor by giving them ammo they can use to fight for future employees. Now they can point to your departure next time they’re arguing for a raise for another teammmate.
I would hope that’s the case, however the company is one that contracts to other organizations and my dad’s former position was one of their biggest clients (I was on a different program). He was saying that their turnover rate is going up because they wouldn’t give raises to hardly any of their employees. That and now they’re being laid off due to the main contract losing funding, but that’s just bureaucratic junk.
Was working for more than 5 years at a company. Pay was not very good, but okayish. The entire company was rather unhappy, though.
During covid we had a lengthy talk with the director about how we can’t staff many projects since we don’t pay enough and can’t get new people or keep the old ones. He denied even the extremely obvious lack of people.
I had offers on the table and told him, what other employers were ready to pay and he just told me, that this is bullshit.
At that point it was clear to me, that there was no way that I would ever get this idiot to accept reality and I accepted an offer for 50% more.
The funny thing is, my manager asked me, if he could ask his manager about a counteroffer. They came up with a comprehensive plan where I could “earn” the raise over a period of three years and at the end would end up about 10% below what was currently offered. Absolutely incredible.
It’s really sad, that it had to go down that way. The company and the colleagues were pretty good otherwise. But 50% more is a really really good argument.
Yeah their new VP basically said “we don’t do mid-year raises” which is just dumb, they also never conveyed to me that I did receive a raise, but it was a 1.2% COL increase, which was a slap in the face. I received a higher COL increase after I had been with my new company for only 3 months at the end of last year.
My former boss and my dad used to work together which is how I had learned about the job to begin with and they happened to go out for drinks with some other guys and my boss just asked my dad point blank “Am I going to lose Haggis?” My dad just said “If you can’t get him 5% by the end of the year, he’ll probably jump.” My boss responded with “Well it’s been fun working with him.” He genuinely tried everything he could, had a 3 page document written up about why I deserved a mid-level position, explained why he couldn’t lose me and the company just said “eh, wait till next year.”
I applied for another job and had the recruiter reach out to me within 20 minutes due to it being a company I had worked for prior (left because I didn’t like the project I was on and wanted a change of pace) and within an hour and a half of applying they had called me and then two weeks later I was given an offer. The offer was the crazy part because I was making about 74k as a junior at the other job, I asked for 85 as a “high ball” to hope they would give me at least 80 and they told me they would beat that, so the next time they asked I said 90 and they just gave me 92 anyway. Definitely felt nice to be more appreciated.
I might be headed there too. For the first time in forever I like my manager and he always goes to bat for me. And I am the lead of a team I really like. But the company gave me a crappy raise despite huge profits and all the good feedback from coworkers that led to me getting the lead position (without raise) after only a little over a year.
Now they are reclassifying my job as an in-office position even though I was hired for remote and my team is spread across the country and the world including my manager, so I’d still be doing all communications over the internet. Fortunately, they are short on office space in my city and the next closest office is over 150 miles away and they made it so they only force people to commute 50 miles (as the crow flies, not actual driving miles) which is still ridiculous, especially for a couple of my colleagues who would have to take a ferry which adds a lot of time, or drive around a pretty big body of water to get to my city.
But if they try to force the office thing after expanding office space, or don’t give me a better raise next year, especially after the unpaid promotion with extra responsibilities, I’m gone.
I’m odd because I vastly prefer in-office work so that’s never been a deal-breaker for me. I like the option to work from home if needed, but the nature of my new job means I just don’t have anything to do from home and have to be on-site.
But I too have received unpaid “promotions” recently, but they’re generally because I seek out more responsibilities and take on more hats than I need out of necessity. “Oh no one is handling our new hires and I need to build a team? Guess I’m doing team allocation now.” “We’re out of seats and I need 3 seats for my team? Guess I’m in charge of that now.” “We’re out of VMs and have to steal them from other people to reallocate? Guess I’m organizing that effort too.”
That’s just good experience though as I’m using it for leverage to get a promotion next year, potentially moving to a management position.
Next time get the offer before asking for the raise and present it to your boss. Sucks that it works this way, but they probably would’ve handed you the promotion if you had an offer. Call it market research!
That’s absolutely not how it works in the majority of corporations where you manager isn’t a vindictive piece of shit, it’s absolutely expected by management and HR. In this case, OP’s manager had their back, they definitely wouldn’t have faced retaliation.
I do this every few years and I’ve only switched companies a handful of them, and only because they wouldn’t match the other offer. You can make corporations work for you you know, the “fear the corporation you work for” attitude is dangerous as hell.
Well the time between me asking and me getting a new job was like 9 months. I was actually patient and waited a while before I looked but eventually couldn’t wait. So I got the offer and then asked for a counter and they wouldn’t do it.
Ah yeah, that’s the way to do it. Personally I interview around every few years and present higher offers to my current company, most of the time they counter and I stay, couple times they didn’t and I left. Unfortunately it’s pretty much the only way to keep your salary above inflation these days, but since I started in the data industry I’ve 6x my total compensation, so it definitely does work.
I guess it’s not quite that level of “fuck this shit I’m out” but I realized that I was doing a significant amount of work that would be outside the description of a junior software engineer. I chatted with my boss and asked for a raise, he went to HR and they said no, so I asked for a promotion and he took it all the way to the VP and they still said no. After that I said “well they must not care about me but this other company is offering a 20k raise so I’m out.”
It did suck because my boss was still probably the best manager I’ve ever had who gave me everything he could to help me succeed but they refused to give me a raise. I don’t miss the work but I for sure miss that team.
As tough as it was for your manager to lose you, you probably also did them a favor by giving them ammo they can use to fight for future employees. Now they can point to your departure next time they’re arguing for a raise for another teammmate.
I would hope that’s the case, however the company is one that contracts to other organizations and my dad’s former position was one of their biggest clients (I was on a different program). He was saying that their turnover rate is going up because they wouldn’t give raises to hardly any of their employees. That and now they’re being laid off due to the main contract losing funding, but that’s just bureaucratic junk.
Better yet he should do what OP did and go to a place that will support him being a good boss.
I had a similar experience.
Was working for more than 5 years at a company. Pay was not very good, but okayish. The entire company was rather unhappy, though.
During covid we had a lengthy talk with the director about how we can’t staff many projects since we don’t pay enough and can’t get new people or keep the old ones. He denied even the extremely obvious lack of people. I had offers on the table and told him, what other employers were ready to pay and he just told me, that this is bullshit.
At that point it was clear to me, that there was no way that I would ever get this idiot to accept reality and I accepted an offer for 50% more.
The funny thing is, my manager asked me, if he could ask his manager about a counteroffer. They came up with a comprehensive plan where I could “earn” the raise over a period of three years and at the end would end up about 10% below what was currently offered. Absolutely incredible.
It’s really sad, that it had to go down that way. The company and the colleagues were pretty good otherwise. But 50% more is a really really good argument.
Yeah their new VP basically said “we don’t do mid-year raises” which is just dumb, they also never conveyed to me that I did receive a raise, but it was a 1.2% COL increase, which was a slap in the face. I received a higher COL increase after I had been with my new company for only 3 months at the end of last year.
My former boss and my dad used to work together which is how I had learned about the job to begin with and they happened to go out for drinks with some other guys and my boss just asked my dad point blank “Am I going to lose Haggis?” My dad just said “If you can’t get him 5% by the end of the year, he’ll probably jump.” My boss responded with “Well it’s been fun working with him.” He genuinely tried everything he could, had a 3 page document written up about why I deserved a mid-level position, explained why he couldn’t lose me and the company just said “eh, wait till next year.”
I applied for another job and had the recruiter reach out to me within 20 minutes due to it being a company I had worked for prior (left because I didn’t like the project I was on and wanted a change of pace) and within an hour and a half of applying they had called me and then two weeks later I was given an offer. The offer was the crazy part because I was making about 74k as a junior at the other job, I asked for 85 as a “high ball” to hope they would give me at least 80 and they told me they would beat that, so the next time they asked I said 90 and they just gave me 92 anyway. Definitely felt nice to be more appreciated.
Bomb threat, also 2 colleagues went to prison, unrelated to the bomb.
I might be headed there too. For the first time in forever I like my manager and he always goes to bat for me. And I am the lead of a team I really like. But the company gave me a crappy raise despite huge profits and all the good feedback from coworkers that led to me getting the lead position (without raise) after only a little over a year.
Now they are reclassifying my job as an in-office position even though I was hired for remote and my team is spread across the country and the world including my manager, so I’d still be doing all communications over the internet. Fortunately, they are short on office space in my city and the next closest office is over 150 miles away and they made it so they only force people to commute 50 miles (as the crow flies, not actual driving miles) which is still ridiculous, especially for a couple of my colleagues who would have to take a ferry which adds a lot of time, or drive around a pretty big body of water to get to my city.
But if they try to force the office thing after expanding office space, or don’t give me a better raise next year, especially after the unpaid promotion with extra responsibilities, I’m gone.
I’m odd because I vastly prefer in-office work so that’s never been a deal-breaker for me. I like the option to work from home if needed, but the nature of my new job means I just don’t have anything to do from home and have to be on-site.
But I too have received unpaid “promotions” recently, but they’re generally because I seek out more responsibilities and take on more hats than I need out of necessity. “Oh no one is handling our new hires and I need to build a team? Guess I’m doing team allocation now.” “We’re out of seats and I need 3 seats for my team? Guess I’m in charge of that now.” “We’re out of VMs and have to steal them from other people to reallocate? Guess I’m organizing that effort too.”
That’s just good experience though as I’m using it for leverage to get a promotion next year, potentially moving to a management position.
Next time get the offer before asking for the raise and present it to your boss. Sucks that it works this way, but they probably would’ve handed you the promotion if you had an offer. Call it market research!
Or they would have him training his replacement the moment the other offer expired.
That’s absolutely not how it works in the majority of corporations where you manager isn’t a vindictive piece of shit, it’s absolutely expected by management and HR. In this case, OP’s manager had their back, they definitely wouldn’t have faced retaliation.
I do this every few years and I’ve only switched companies a handful of them, and only because they wouldn’t match the other offer. You can make corporations work for you you know, the “fear the corporation you work for” attitude is dangerous as hell.
Well the time between me asking and me getting a new job was like 9 months. I was actually patient and waited a while before I looked but eventually couldn’t wait. So I got the offer and then asked for a counter and they wouldn’t do it.
Ah yeah, that’s the way to do it. Personally I interview around every few years and present higher offers to my current company, most of the time they counter and I stay, couple times they didn’t and I left. Unfortunately it’s pretty much the only way to keep your salary above inflation these days, but since I started in the data industry I’ve 6x my total compensation, so it definitely does work.